Orraloon Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, aaid said: https://ep.ft.com/permalink/emails/eyJlbWFpbCI6ImEyMGNlN2I4YjNjZWMzMTdkYWIzYWNiM2E1YzE1OWQ1YzFkMjI3OThiNTY0M2RlYmRhMjFlZWI3ZDc4MzQwOTAwOCIsInRyYW5zYWN0aW9uSWQiOiI2NWMwMDAzMi0wYzgwLTRkNTAtODdjYi1iN2M4NTQ2NGM4YzUifQ%3D%3D "the Labour party has always had a largely liberal leadership" Aye, right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 I defy anyone, including Aaid, to disagree with Campbell today apart from voting for Ash Regan https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-white-flag-gang/ And it’s becoming increasingly clear that the events of the next few days and weeks will not just determine the future of the independence movement, but whether in any meaningful, practical sense it continues to exist at all. The Indian Council of Scotland and The Muslim Council of the UK have also stated their worries about Humza https://wingsoverscotland.com/a-time-of-fear/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 “Feel unsafe” geez peace. He might be a bit of a bell end but using language like this is intentionally manipulative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 And for wings to post it when he’d normally criticise that language if it was used by a TRA for example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: “Feel unsafe” geez peace. He might be a bit of a bell end but using language like this is intentionally manipulative The President of The Indian Council said it “We as a community do not feel safe with Humza Yousaf as the First Minister in Scotland. The Indian community – which is a community of all faiths that includes Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist, and Judaism – would not feel safe with Humza Yousaf as First Minister. Our community is law-abiding, hard-working, and proud of our country. Humza Yousaf attacked a nursery publicly and has now walked away without apology. Surely his integrity must be called into question? He has stoked up racial tensions in the Indian Hindu community, and this is not acceptable.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Ally Bongo said: The President of The Indian Council said it “We as a community do not feel safe with Humza Yousaf as the First Minister in Scotland. The Indian community – which is a community of all faiths that includes Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist, and Judaism – would not feel safe with Humza Yousaf as First Minister. Our community is law-abiding, hard-working, and proud of our country. Humza Yousaf attacked a nursery publicly and has now walked away without apology. Surely his integrity must be called into question? He has stoked up racial tensions in the Indian Hindu community, and this is not acceptable.” Yeah I know sorry, not implying it was yourself who said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: I defy anyone, including Aaid, to disagree with Campbell today apart from voting for Ash Regan https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-white-flag-gang/ And it’s becoming increasingly clear that the events of the next few days and weeks will not just determine the future of the independence movement, but whether in any meaningful, practical sense it continues to exist at all. The Indian Council of Scotland and The Muslim Council of the UK have also stated their worries about Humza https://wingsoverscotland.com/a-time-of-fear/ I’m not going to even waste my time reading the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 Indian council of Scotland https://www.facebook.com/ScotlandFriendsofIndia/ https://www.thenational.scot/news/19726991.indian-council-scotland-leaders-attacking-humza-yousaf-scottish-tory-allies/ https://www.thenational.scot/news/20103467.douglas-ross-told-resign-indian-council-scotland/ and the clincher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, aaid said: It does mean she is being selective when it comes to which ideological battles she supports and which ones she doesn’t. Joanna Cherry was railing yesterday on Twitter on the abuse that Kate Forbes was getting for her views. Until someone dug out tweets from her from 2017 when she was calling out Tim Farron for holding exactly the same views. A lesbian backing up someone who doesn’t believe in equality for lesbian, People have very strange bedfellows these days. It’s almost like what’s most important here to some is whether or not you support the GRR Bill. You mentioned yesterday that you were deliberating between someone whose ideals you more closely associated, or the person you feel was more capable but held beliefs you did not support. I think this is possibly the first time I have chosen the latter option in any political contest . I joined the SNP for one reason only, because I want Scotland to be independent. I think the only possible chance Scotland now has of being independent is to prove we can run the country successfully. Doesn’t matter who the FM is they will get shit so we may as well go for one who has the most ability . Forbes is the only person I think is remotely capable given the options so far . Choosing her probably makes me hypocritical as I dont agree with her religious beliefs. However , like Badenoch says, people are allowed to have opinions even if you dont like them. I am not overly concerned that these will have a serious negative impact on equality in this country. Independence or not , if I felt she would heavily influence policies that would be a red line for me . IMO appointing Humza will kill any hope of independence stone dead . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 21 minutes ago, aaid said: I’m not going to even waste my time reading the article. Have posted it on his comments section Duped again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Have posted it on his comments section Duped again I have a mate down here, one of these guys that you know through football and you get on on that level but who has some pretty dubious views. He’s second generation Anglo-Indian, a Hindu, a rampant Tory and a Modi supporter. He also supports England at football and India at cricket. He is also one of the most Islamophobic people I know. I get the sense that these Indian Council people are of the same ilk. Liberal white people often think that brown people can’t be racists or sectarian, that’s not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Och Aye Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: Choosing her probably makes me hypocritical as I dont agree with her religious beliefs. Do all atheists feel hypocritical when they vote for someone? This situation is bonkers and completely unfair on Forbes (though she should have done the political thing ie lied). Time for Catholic, Muslim, etc, politicians to e aggressively quizzed on their personal beliefs. Only fair eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: You mentioned yesterday that you were deliberating between someone whose ideals you more closely associated, or the person you feel was more capable but held beliefs you did not support. I think this is possibly the first time I have chosen the latter option in any political contest . I joined the SNP for one reason only, because I want Scotland to be independent. I think the only possible chance Scotland now has of being independent is to prove we can run the country successfully. Doesn’t matter who the FM is they will get shit so we may as well go for one who has the most ability . Forbes is the only person I think is remotely capable given the options so far . Choosing her probably makes me hypocritical as I dont agree with her religious beliefs. However , like Badenoch says, people are allowed to have opinions even if you dont like them. I am not overly concerned that these will have a serious negative impact on equality in this country. Independence or not , if I felt she would heavily influence policies that would be a red line for me . IMO appointing Humza will kill any hope of independence stone dead . I haven’t made my mind up yet other than completely discounting Regan, Forbes has some work to do though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 Wait until we get to Ash Regan and her children’s schooling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, aaid said: Wait until we get to Ash Regan and her children’s schooling. Och, you canny leave that hanging there. Tell us more. I hope it's not one of those "If only you knew what I know things". 😉 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 it’s almost concerning that this vote is deemed to be so important for independence, shouldn’t any snp politician be capable of taking the independence movement forward? Obviously some are gonna be more likeable than others to your unsure voter but if that’s what it’s hinging on, maybe it’s not meant to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Och Aye said: Do all atheists feel hypocritical when they vote for someone? This situation is bonkers and completely unfair on Forbes (though she should have done the political thing ie lied). Time for Catholic, Muslim, etc, politicians to e aggressively quizzed on their personal beliefs. Only fair eh? Maybe she has just been smarter than we think, by getting the religious stuff out in the open early, before voting has started. It's almost 3 weeks before voting starts and there will be loads more shit comes out before then. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Orraloon said: "the Labour party has always had a largely liberal leadership" Aye, right. Small ‘l’ liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Och, you canny leave that hanging there. Tell us more. I hope it's not one of those "If only you knew what I know things". 😉 😂 She sent her weans to private school, basically, that's my understanding of it. Jars slightly with the "left-wing candidate" that some people have tried to paint her as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, Orraloon said: Och, you canny leave that hanging there. Tell us more. I hope it's not one of those "If only you knew what I know things". 😉 😂 No, she sent her kids to private school. All a bit new Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, scotlad said: She sent her weans to private school, basically, that's my understanding of it. Jars slightly with the "left-wing candidate" that some people have tried to paint her as. Beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, scotlad said: She sent her weans to private school, basically, that's my understanding of it. Jars slightly with the "left-wing candidate" that some people have tried to paint her as. Could've been worse. She could have been education secretary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, Orraloon said: Could've been worse. She could have been education secretary. Or home schooled them to avoid government indoctrination 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 This guy, Wasif Ahmed, appears to be the Muslim Council of the UK. https://glasgowstandard.com/2023/02/13/muslim-council-party-affiliatio/ I’be noticed recently that the Scottish Daily Express have started to pick up stories - and the are stories - from Wings recently. That’s pretty ironic considering his history with that particular publication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Or home schooled them to avoid government indoctrination 😬 Worse than that, she sent them to private school as she was too busy and state schools “didn’t provide wrap-around care”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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