Orraloon Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 44 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: I do get it, I'm just not entirely sure how it will work in practice. I think it's a good idea but am surprised that the Tories have brought it in, not only because smoking rates have declined massively but being concerned for the health of the general public -its not what they're known for! It is supposed to work the same way as other legislation does. If you make something illegal then hopefully less people will do it. The same as compulsory seat belts, mobile phones whist driving. Folk say things like "It's impossible to enforce it". And whilst that may be true, it doesn't mean we shouldn't make them illegal. It's the same with folk who come out with this "Freedom of choice" bollocks. At the time, folk said things like "I have the freedom of choice to get killed in a car crash if I want to" (I might be paraphrasing a wee bit). Society (through our governments) decided that people should no longer have that choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 7 minutes ago, StirlingEgg said: I think it could be a personal crusade for Sunak because he's dying to be known for something and doesn’t get to put his Adidas Samba'd foot down much without being telt. He also seems like a reasonably healthy person & probably never had a wee puff in his life so doesn’t relate to it at all as a habit. It's also taking a bit of focus away from the Rwanda reporting. Or maybe his family are heavily invested in vaping technology? I'd hope that even this version of corrupt Tories wouldn't be that blatant in their levels of corruption, though? Wouldn't put anything past them. Last big payday before he gets kicked oot the door? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 6 hours ago, Malcolm said: Alcohol is not consumed in moderation though is it. Maybe vouchers for a couple of drinks a week then? Smoking does have upsides - it’s a pleasant experience, in the same way a drink is. I am not a smoker as I have done my own cost benefit analysis but every individual should be entitled to choose. Ration cakes? Fatties are very expensive to the NHS. Where do you stop. ”people can’t be trusted to make their own choices” sounds very 1984 to me. Something feeling good / pleasant isnt an upside if the consequence of that is ill health. The difference between smoking and drinking is that smoking can harm regardless of volume. Alcohol doesnt. Smoking was introduced at a time when the health implications were really known. We have known about them for years now, attempted to inform the public to make good choices but the public for whatever reason havent done so. Its literally the role of government to make such decisions. It wont negatively impact anybodys life. For what its worth, they should be doing something similar in respect of fatty / unhealthy foods. I love a McDonalds and a chocolate bar but id much rather live in a society that not only promoted but more importantly facilitated healthy eating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 46 minutes ago, Diamond Scot said: Something feeling good / pleasant isnt an upside if the consequence of that is ill health. The difference between smoking and drinking is that smoking can harm regardless of volume. Alcohol doesnt. https://www.icr.ac.uk/blogs/science-talk/page-details/when-it-comes-to-cancer-how-does-alcohol-compare-to-smoking What about alcohol? Awareness of the link between alcohol and cancer, however, is not anywhere near as high. A recent survey suggests only 13 per cent of people understand cancer is one of the health risks associated with alcohol consumption. We don’t yet have the same vast body of evidence for the effects of alcohol compared to smoking, but we do know that alcohol itself can directly cause damage to cells that can trigger cancer, and there is evidence that alcohol consumption increases the risk of seven different types of cancer – that of the mouth, throat, voice box, oesophagus, bowel, liver and breast. Moderate drinking In an attempt to increase public awareness, a new study published in the journal BMC Public Health has estimated the cancer risks associated with moderate alcohol consumption, and drawn a comparison with levels of smoking. The authors of the research, from University Hospital Southampton NHS Foundation Trust, Bangor University and University of Southampton, found the risk of cancer from drinking one bottle of wine a week was equivalent to smoking 10 cigarettes a week for women and five cigarettes for men. If non-smoking women and men drank a bottle of wine every week, their lifetime risk of cancer would increase by 1.4 per cent for women, and one percent for men. In real terms, if 1,000 women and 1,000 men each drank one bottle of wine per week, it’s likely that around 14 extra women and 10 extra men would develop cancer at some point in their life. Heavier alcohol consumption On the surface, five or 10 cigarettes a week doesn’t sound like a lot. But we need to put that into drinking habits of the nation. The Office for National Statistics reported in their recent 2019 survey that 60 per cent of adults in the UK report they drink up to 14 units a week. That’s quite a lot of people with a moderate increase in risk. The survey also revealed that 17 per cent of adults – so more than the number of smokers in the UK – reported the drink between 14 and 50 units and 4 per cent reported drinking 50 or more. How do these levels affect risk? The BMC Public Health study also looked into heavier levels of alcohol consumption and estimated that drinking three bottles of wine per week (around 30 units) could increase lifetime cancer risk by 3.6 per cent in women and 1.9 per cent in men, or 36 in 1,000 women and 19 in 1,000 men. That’s apparently the equivalent to smoking roughly eight cigarettes per week for men and 23 cigarettes per week for women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 5 hours ago, Orraloon said: Or maybe his family are heavily invested in vaping technology? I'd hope that even this version of corrupt Tories wouldn't be that blatant in their levels of corruption, though? Wouldn't put anything past them. Last big payday before he gets kicked oot the door? 🤣 😂 Yes definitely not surprised at how low they can stoop now. He's already in his father in law's good books for that NHS contract so maybe this would rubber stamp his name in the will... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Scot Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 6 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: https://www.icr.ac.uk/blogs/science-talk/page-details/when-it-comes-to-cancer-how-does-alcohol-compare-to-smoking What about alcohol? Awareness of the link between alcohol and cancer, however, is not anywhere near as high. A recent survey suggests only 13 per cent of people understand cancer is one of the health risks associated with alcohol consumption. We don’t yet have the same vast body of evidence for the effects of alcohol compared to smoking, but we do know that alcohol itself can directly cause damage to cells that can trigger cancer, and there is evidence that alcohol consumption increases the risk of seven different types of cancer – that of the mouth, throat, voice box, oesophagus, bowel, liver and breast. Moderate drinking In an attempt to increase public awareness, a new study published in the journal BMC Public Health has estimated the cancer risks associated with moderate alcohol consumption, and drawn a comparison with levels of smoking. The authors of the research, from University Hospital Southampton NHS Foundation Trust, Bangor University and University of Southampton, found the risk of cancer from drinking one bottle of wine a week was equivalent to smoking 10 cigarettes a week for women and five cigarettes for men. If non-smoking women and men drank a bottle of wine every week, their lifetime risk of cancer would increase by 1.4 per cent for women, and one percent for men. In real terms, if 1,000 women and 1,000 men each drank one bottle of wine per week, it’s likely that around 14 extra women and 10 extra men would develop cancer at some point in their life. Heavier alcohol consumption On the surface, five or 10 cigarettes a week doesn’t sound like a lot. But we need to put that into drinking habits of the nation. The Office for National Statistics reported in their recent 2019 survey that 60 per cent of adults in the UK report they drink up to 14 units a week. That’s quite a lot of people with a moderate increase in risk. The survey also revealed that 17 per cent of adults – so more than the number of smokers in the UK – reported the drink between 14 and 50 units and 4 per cent reported drinking 50 or more. How do these levels affect risk? The BMC Public Health study also looked into heavier levels of alcohol consumption and estimated that drinking three bottles of wine per week (around 30 units) could increase lifetime cancer risk by 3.6 per cent in women and 1.9 per cent in men, or 36 in 1,000 women and 19 in 1,000 men. That’s apparently the equivalent to smoking roughly eight cigarettes per week for men and 23 cigarettes per week for women. No consencious on this. Certainly nowhere near the body of evidence in respect of smoking. There will be an equal amount of publications saying moderate drinking has health benefits. You wont find any studies that say smoking is good for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Another Tory chancer getting himself into bother via a dating site and using campaign funds to help get him out of a sticky situation 😬 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/17/tory-mp-loses-whip-after-claims-he-used-party-funds-to-pay-bad-people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 3 minutes ago, StirlingEgg said: Another Tory chancer getting himself into bother via a dating site and using campaign funds to help get him out of a sticky situation 😬 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/17/tory-mp-loses-whip-after-claims-he-used-party-funds-to-pay-bad-people Are the forensic tents outside his house yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertsscot Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 2 hours ago, vanderark14 said: Are the forensic tents outside his house yet? And William Wragg still hasn't resigned and all the Unionist papers seem to have totally forgotten about the guy who gave out his work colleagues contact details without their consent to a stranger, an action that would have probably have got him dismissed in any other job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 50 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: And William Wragg still hasn't resigned and all the Unionist papers seem to have totally forgotten about the guy who gave out his work colleagues contact details without their consent to a stranger, an action that would have probably have got him dismissed in any other job. 2 hours ago, vanderark14 said: Are the forensic tents outside his house yet? It's all a bit Alan B'stard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, StirlingEgg said: It's all a bit Alan B'stard. great TV that was… must watch that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 7 minutes ago, Malcolm said: great TV that was… must watch that again. I was in my teens when it was on but remember enjoying it. Pity he's not standing in your constituency as seems right up your street; meanwhile I'll be voting for Kermit 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 6 hours ago, StirlingEgg said: Another Tory chancer getting himself into bother via a dating site and using campaign funds to help get him out of a sticky situation 😬 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/17/tory-mp-loses-whip-after-claims-he-used-party-funds-to-pay-bad-people That's they Ardrossan folk for you 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, StirlingEgg said: I was in my teens when it was on but remember enjoying it. Pity he's not standing in your constituency as seems right up your street; meanwhile I'll be voting for Kermit 🤪 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted April 19 Author Share Posted April 19 Israel launches missiles at Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 23 hours ago, StirlingEgg said: It's all a bit Alan B'stard. Maybe time for a reboot of The New Statesmen, in which Alan B'Stard is a corrupt, conniving gay MP (although I think even in the original series, B'Stard's wife is bisexual and his corrupt solicitor is transgender, making the series very ahead of its time!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 23 hours ago, bonzo said: That's they Ardrossan folk for you 😁 😁 They ended up closing the comments about it on the Guardian site in case of any libel bother 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 5 hours ago, scotlad said: Maybe time for a reboot of The New Statesmen, in which Alan B'Stard is a corrupt, conniving gay MP (although I think even in the original series, B'Stard's wife is bisexual and his corrupt solicitor is transgender, making the series very ahead of its time!). 😁 Even his policies back then would fit in well with current B'stards! Wonder who could play him now...It would be hard to write ridiculous material that outdid the last 14+ years (think that's why Armando Iannucci stopped writing the likes of Veep/The Thick of It). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 American Philosopher Daniel Dennett passes away aged 82 He spoke in Edinburgh 15 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 On 4/19/2024 at 4:32 PM, StirlingEgg said: 😁 Even his policies back then would fit in well with current B'stards! Wonder who could play him now...It would be hard to write ridiculous material that outdid the last 14+ years (think that's why Armando Iannucci stopped writing the likes of Veep/The Thick of It). Apparently he was once accused of buying drugs for a teenage male escort. A few years later the Tories made Menzies a trade envoy to Colombia and Peru. I guess it was his aptitude for trade that impressed them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 23 minutes ago, scotlad said: Apparently he was once accused of buying drugs for a teenage male escort. A few years later the Tories made Menzies a trade envoy to Colombia and Peru. I guess it was his aptitude for trade that impressed them! They don't seem to ask questions if they've got connections do they 🙄 Was that the story about the young Brazilian fellow? There were some dodgy jokes underneath the story about being denied entry for a Visa (you can work out what words in that sentence were used 👀) Up to no good for personal gain = no biggie Up to no good for no other discernable gain = long running expensive police operation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 https://news.sky.com/story/violence-breaks-out-at-st-georges-day-event-in-central-london-13121301 WTF 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StirlingEgg Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 35 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: https://news.sky.com/story/violence-breaks-out-at-st-georges-day-event-in-central-london-13121301 WTF 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StirlingEgg Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 59 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: ...At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them. 😳 Meanwhile, while everyone seems distracted by the FM trying to navigate a booby trapped interview, our esteemed UK govt is getting yet more authoritarian and has also shaken that magic money tree for "war footing" (election) cash...🏴🇬🇧 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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