Huddersfield Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) Edit - replied to myself! Edited January 13, 2019 by Huddersfield Quote
Huddersfield Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, phart said: Yeah i was just pointing out unless you go looking for it, you won't find it. Trust me i'd much rather have the interesting life where i never bothered finding out out all this stuff, cause it does you no good. In another life i'd have ignored it all. ps you said 95% and never look into the RFK assassination that is the one that opened up a lot of this shit for me. Obvious cover-up then that pries open the door to everything else. You have enough on your plate with Huddersfield Amen to that, brother! Our season was summed up yesterday when we were given a penalty & then the ref changed his mind. Could only happen to us. Now if you want a conspiracy theory... You're right that I've not looked much, if at all into RFK; a little more but not extensively into JFK. As I said, I think my natural philosophical leaning is towards scepticism, so I tend to automatically want to debunk conspiracies but force myself (hence my original comments about Scotty) to make a space in my head for alternate possibilities. I just need my pension fund to get its arse in gear, then I might find some time. Or spend it all on HTFC. Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: As I said, I think my natural philosophical leaning is towards scepticism, so I tend to automatically want to debunk conspiracies the truth... Wouldn't a natural scepticism lead to questioning the official version (the lie) in the first place? Quote
Chripper Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: You can't be serious. I'm 100% serious. Does anyone know the names of these writers? 20 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: So God, in His infinite wisdom, forgot something? That's why God created erasers on pencils. Â 20 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: No, you would either be mistaken, deceived, delusional, or a liar. So, I would be aforementioned and yet the nameless authors of the Bible are to be believed? Are you saying that there isn't a 0.00001% chance that the Bible writers weren't mistaken, deceived, deletional or liars? Edited January 13, 2019 by Chripper Quote
Huddersfield Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: Wouldn't a natural scepticism lead to questioning the official version (the lie) in the first place? Yes, of course. If I was totally sold on every official line I’d probably be putting all my efforts at the moment into arguing about where the ball should be for a corner 🙂 Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Chripper said: I'm 100% serious. Does anyone know the names of these writers? Well, you definitely wouldn't be my 'phone-a-friend'. (In fact, you wouldn't even be allowed on my team for a casual trivia pub night.) For starters, I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the gospels were named after the people that wrote them. (Do you know any of the books of the Bible?) 6 minutes ago, Chripper said: That's why God created erasers on pencils. He didn't create those things. 6 minutes ago, Chripper said: So, I would be aforementioned and yet the nameless authors of the Bible are to be believed? Correct. 7 minutes ago, Chripper said: Are you saying that there isn't a 0.00001% chance that the Bible writers weren't mistaken, deceived, deletional or liars? Correct, because ultimately it was God (the Holy Spirit) that wrote the Bible through these 40 people. "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness," 2 Timothy 3:16 Quote
Chripper Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Scotty CTA said: For starters, I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the gospels were named after the people that wrote them. (Do you know any of the books of the Bible?) And these are reputable sources? (Matthew, Luke, John.. Curley, Larry and Moe?) 2 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: He didn't create those things. Sure he did. He created us, right? And we created pencils with erasers, therefore, he created them. 3 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: Correct, because ultimately it was God (the Holy Spirit) that wrote the Bible through these 40 people. And you think this because those 40 people told you so. These "40 people" could've been liars and scoundrels or they could've been people who suffered from syphilis or some other disease that affects the workings of the mind. You have no evidence that God exists, you have no evidence that Jesus was the son of God. If you have, please produce is. If you're going to recite from the Bible then I could recite from Harry Potter and tell you how he saved the world from Voldermort. Which is more believable? I'd say the latter. Quote
exile Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 21 hours ago, Chripper said: what I want to know is why do people engage with him? How about you (just curious)? 😉 Quote
Chripper Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, exile said: How about you (just curious)? 😉 If I begin spouting nonsense about a conveniently absent creator, people can ignore me with my blessing. Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 3 hours ago, phart said: RFK is so obvious a cover up. Â Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, Chripper said: And these are reputable sources? (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.. Yes, they were eye witnesses. You can take their word as Gospel. 18 minutes ago, Chripper said: Sure he did. He created us, right? And we created pencils with erasers, therefore, he created them. God created the matter, and we altered and shaped the matter. 18 minutes ago, Chripper said: And you think this because those 40 people told you so. Yes, I acknowledge God's Word. 23 minutes ago, Chripper said: These "40 people" could've been liars and scoundrels... They were definitely sinners. 24 minutes ago, Chripper said: ...or they could've been people who suffered from syphilis or some other disease that affects the workings of the mind. If that (impossibly) happened it would have been like winning every lottery jackpot you are alive for. 26 minutes ago, Chripper said: You have no evidence that God exists, you have no evidence that Jesus was the son of God. I actually have tons of evidence, but what I don't have is the type of proof that you are asking for. (The table hasn't' been set that way.) As stated previously... We are saved (from judgement of our sins) by faith (and thankfully not by proof). 31 minutes ago, Chripper said:  If you're going to recite from the Bible then I could recite from Harry Potter and tell you how he saved the world from Voldermort. One,  we hear the words by which we gain faith. "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ." Romans 10:17 The other, is a vehicle to plant the seeds of future acceptance of the antichrist in the minds of the youth. It has no eternal value. 41 minutes ago, Chripper said: Which is more believable? I'd say the latter. And you'd be wrong (and you will be proven wrong). "Seek the Lord while he may be found." Isaiah 55:6 Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 34 minutes ago, Chripper said: If I begin spouting nonsense about a conveniently absent creator, people can ignore me with my blessing. 'exile' is asking why you don't ignore me. Quote
Chripper Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: Yes, they were eye witnesses. You can take their word as Gospel. What, you mean like there's eye witnesses at Penn and Teller and David Blaine, etc? 4 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: They were definitely sinners. So, you'd believe sinners? 5 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: I actually have tons of evidence, but what I don't have is the type of proof that you are asking for. Yes, yes, the sky and the trees and the everything is "evidence". Can you show me actual proof that there is a God? I'm sorry, but a few books about incest and murder written by sinners isn't exactly going to convince me. On the contrary, I actually believe it less now. 8 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: And you'd be wrong (and you will be proven wrong). So, i'd be proven wrong? How so? How can you prove me wrong? Dude, you are saying, without doubt, that God created everything and Jesus is his son. I'm asking for proof. You're not delivering any. Can you or can you not provide proof on the above? If you can't provide any then there is room for doubt in your mind. Quote
Chripper Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 49 minutes ago, exile said: How about you (just curious)? 😉 Oh. Why don't I ignore him? Usually I do, but it's a moment of weakness. Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 16 hours ago, Huddersfield said: ...I don't think it does any harm to engage at all... OK... Ever see magicians on TV and think to yourself "I know it's a trick, but I have no idea how he did that?" Ever had how a magic trick was done revealed to you? So... If they faked the moon landings, how would they go about it? Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Chripper said: Oh. Why don't I ignore him? Usually I do, but it's a moment of weakness. God's Word never returns void. (You get to learn without realising it.) Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Chripper said: What, you mean like there's eye witnesses at Penn and Teller and David Blaine, etc? No 1 hour ago, Chripper said: So, you'd believe sinners? As stated, the Holy Spirit ultimately authored the Bible. The 40 humans were the means to it being physically written. 1 hour ago, Chripper said: Yes, yes, the sky and the trees and the everything is "evidence". Can you show me actual proof that there is a God? Creation had to have a Creator. Otherwise, can you show me design without a designer? 1 hour ago, Chripper said: I'm sorry, but a few books about incest and murder written by sinners isn't exactly going to convince me. On the contrary, I actually believe it less now. Only because you've never read and studied the Bible, and don't know what you are criticising. 1 hour ago, Chripper said: So, i'd be proven wrong? . You will be unless you repent, yes. 1 hour ago, Chripper said: How so? How can you prove me wrong? You will be proven wrong as Scripture continues to unfold. 1 hour ago, Chripper said: Dude, you are saying, without doubt, that God created everything and Jesus is his son. I'm asking for proof. Creation is proof of a Creator, just as a watch is proof of a watchmaker. Besides God, Who else could accurately prophecise for 6,000 years? 1 hour ago, Chripper said: You're not delivering any. It's not my job to convince you. It is however my duty to tell you that Jesus is God, that He took on flesh, lived a sinless life, shed His precious blood to wash away all of our sins (past, present, and future), died in our place on the cross, and rose on the third day after defeating death and the grave on behalf of everyone who wants to receive that free gift. 1 hour ago, Chripper said: Can you or can you not provide proof on the above? If you can't provide any then there is room for doubt in your mind. Doubt is a natural part of faith, but I go over it, and over it, and over it, and each time... Jesus Christ is Lord.  Quote
Chripper Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Scotty CTA said: No Plenty of people have witnessed Penn and Teller and David Blaine. Imagine if those people had done so two thousand years ago, Penn and Teller, etc, would be accused of sorcery. Meanwhile, Jesus is thought of as the freakin' son of God. Jesus was a bastard born of adultery and to save being stoned to death, his mother concocted the story that he was the son of God. Fine, people were ignorant back then, but for people to still believe it in 2019, well, it's incredible. 1 hour ago, Scotty CTA said: The 40 humans were the means to it being physically written. So says the 40 villains and no one else.  1 hour ago, Scotty CTA said: Creation is proof of a Creator, just as a watch is proof of a watchmaker. Besides God, Who else could accurately prophecise for 6,000 years? The Bible prophesized absolutely nothing. All you have is a few hundred thousand vague references that can be used to explain everything that meets your agenda.  1 hour ago, Scotty CTA said: Only because you've never read and studied the Bible, and don't know what you are criticising. I'm not criticizing anything, it's you that's stating the Bible as fact. Facts by nature are things which can be proven. I'm open minded enough to say that the Big Bang is a theory, but for some reason you're not open minded enough to say the same about the Bible. I can't give you evidence of the Big Bang, same as you can't give me evidence of any of the Bible teachings. 1 hour ago, Scotty CTA said: It's not my job to convince you. It is however my duty to tell you that Jesus is God, that He took on flesh, lived a sinless life, shed His precious blood to wash away all of our sins (past, present, and future), died in our place on the cross, and rose on the third day after defeating death and the grave on behalf of everyone who wants to receive that free gift. Again, you're delivering as a fact. Show me the evidence. He died in our place? Yes, wouldn't that mean that we'd all be immortal? 1 hour ago, Scotty CTA said: Doubt is a natural part of faith, but I go over it, and over it, and over it, and each time... Jesus Christ is Lord. Not really. Chripper is Lord. Blasphemy? Nahh! Quote
Huddersfield Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: OK... Ever see magicians on TV and think to yourself "I know it's a trick, but I have no idea how he did that?" Ever had how a magic trick was done revealed to you? So... If they faked the moon landings, how would they go about it? The thing is though when I see a magician, I know from the outset that's exactly what they are & that there's a trick behind it. With regards specifically to the Moon landing, I sat transfixed watching it as a kid & have had an interest ever since. I have no doubts whatsoever that they really happened. Or, put another way, it would take something vastly more convincing than anything I've ever seen to make me doubt it. I could send you countless links explaining how people are tricked into believing in God, but you would reject every one out of hand I imagine. By the way - you still haven't answered my question about how many people are/have been in the past employed to guard the ice wall  Quote
Grim Jim Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 The best control of all has been to fake gods for millennia. Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Huddersfield said: The thing is though when I see a magician, I know from the outset that's exactly what they are & that there's a trick behind it. Just asking if it would have been possible for an unmanned rocket to take off and land in the ocean; for everyone working (in compartmentalisation) to be viewing a simulation; for the moon scenes to be filmed on earth; and for the capsule to be dropped out of a plane. 5 hours ago, Huddersfield said: By the way - you still haven't answered my question about how many people are/have been in the past employed to guard the ice wall (I haven't read everything yet.) It's not really an issue. Folk don't have the money to launch their own rockets or travel to Antarctica. The thin air and the freezing cold put up their own defences. After that, there's radar and the coast guards of the nations involved in the treaty. Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 9 hours ago, Chripper said:  I can't give you evidence proof of the Big Bang, same as you can't give me evidence of any of the Bible teachings.  "For the Word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians 1:18 Quote
Chripper Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said:  "For the Word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians 1:18 Once again, you're citing words from people who may have been murderers and rapists. If Fred West said that he got a visit from Jesus, would you have believed him? If not, what's the difference? Quote
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