Scotty CTA Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, Eisegerwind said: I'll only answer the first point really. Because you can't let this stuff go by and ignore it. Bus stop near me graffiti with 'earth is flat research' sign on M9 graffiti with similair. No doubt churches/chapels/synogogues/ mosques/temples spouting the same stuff. 99% of them shirk that responsibility. It's too bad, too, as loads are coming to Christ with the flat earth coming to light. Quote
Chripper Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: It's the Truth that'll never be proven wrong It'll never be proved right, either. You say it's the truth? Fine. Show me the evidence that God created the heavens and the earth. And no, I don't want you to cite a passage from the Bible. Show me him creating everything. Not words. Quote
Chripper Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: You don't think that I can think for myself? I know you can't. When asked a question about theology, etc, you just cite a passage from the Bible. You never think for yourself, you're just posting words that other people have written. Would you believe me if wrote my very own Bible and told you that God told me to write it? Quote
Huddersfield Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Chripper said: I'm relatively new here, but what I want to know is why do people engage with him? Anyone and everything that people say questioning the existence of Jesus or God, etc, he's always going to do what people who are unable to think for themselves do, and that is quote a conveniently vague passage from The Bible Fairytales. You can only reasonably debate issues with people who are able to counter arguments with logical and concrete rebuttals. A person who has volumes of vague references and blurred texts (which are more flexible than a contortionist) can never be proved wrong, as they use aforementioned references to suit their agenda. If I ask him (or any person in Team Bible) "Where is God?" More chances than not they'll spout something akin to seeing God in what he has created. We can see him in when we read his words, see his landscape that he sculpted, breath his air, blah, blah, di blah. No. I want coordinates. I want the literal geographic destination. If he can't do that then he's full of shit. I disagree wildly with Scotty on most of this stuff, but (hope you don't mind me saying, Scotty) I find him an intelligent & fascinating bloke who has forced me to think & critique why I believe what I do. In a sense, because I'm not a professional scientist, I have challenged myself to question whether or not I'm just putting my faith in a different set of books without actually assessing the evidence. So I don't think it does any harm to engage at all as & when I have the time, even if at this point in time I've not been persuaded to shift my views on anything. Quote
exile Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Chripper said: I'm relatively new here, but what I want to know is why do people engage with him? 6 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: I encourage people to think outside the box, and they like to test themselves against what I present. Succinctly put. Science relies on testing knowledge and not just making assumptions. So physicists and astronomers ask themselves, what if the sun was only 30 miles away, or 30 miles across, or whatever. It wouldn't bother me if no one really believed the Earth to be flat. It's still useful to demonstrate that answers to the appearance of 'heavenly bodies' can be found from simple demonstrations you can do at home. I've learned lots of new things about space exploration (and Antarctic exploration) and even things about the geography of a flat planet. For me, anyway, those things can be worth discussing in public, but I leave religion and conspiracy theories to others. Edited January 13, 2019 by exile Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Chripper said: It'll never be proved right, either.. It will as the script continues to unfold (and we're 100% on track as I type). 9 hours ago, Chripper said: When asked a question about theology, etc, you just cite a passage from the Bible. It's best to refer to an infinite mind than my flawed finite mind. 9 hours ago, Chripper said: You never think for yourself, you're just posting words that other people have written. Then simply name another person that thinks like me. As posted a few times previously... There's loads of Truthers, and there's loads of Bible-believing Christians, but I'm dismayed that there aren't loads of Bible-believing Truthers (where by very definition there should be). 9 hours ago, Chripper said: Would you believe me if wrote my very own Bible and told you that God told me to write it? Well, since the Holy Bible was 'God breathed' and written through 40 different people (from kings to prisoners) over 1,500 years who lived as far apart as 1,500 miles and where everyone agreed on everything, then I'm going to say that it'd be impossible for it to be the work of a single human. It's so deep, rich, and layered, that no one's ever got to the bottom of it, yet. How do you explain the 100% accuracy rate of prophecy? (Could a single human being maintain that over 6,000 years?) Try putting just three people in a room and see if they agree on everything. (Or closer to home, just look on here.) Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Huddersfield said: I disagree wildly with Scotty on most of this stuff, but (hope you don't mind me saying, Scotty) I find him an intelligent & fascinating bloke who has forced me to think & critique why I believe what I do. In a sense, because I'm not a professional scientist, I have challenged myself to question whether or not I'm just putting my faith in a different set of books without actually assessing the evidence. So I don't think it does any harm to engage at all.... That's what I'm asking. For folk to question (everything) before they (just go along and) accept. And there's even opposition to that... 5 hours ago, Huddersfield said: ...& when I have the time... Amen 5 hours ago, Huddersfield said: ...even if at this point in time I've not been persuaded to shift my views on anything. Creation, the illuminati, JFK, Diana, 9/11, flat earth? If you truly understand one, then the penny should drop on the rest. Quote
Huddersfield Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Scotty CTA said: That's what I'm asking. For folk to question (everything) before they (just go along and) accept. And there's even opposition to that... Amen Creation, the illuminati, JFK, Diana, 9/11, flat earth? If you truly understand one, then the penny should drop on the rest. I don't agree with the premise that these things are like dominoes. There are a couple of "conspiracy" theories that I find myself potentially persuaded by; one is certainly Diana. I have a strong feeling that there's more to that than meets the eye, but that comes from my lefty, Republican leanings I think rather than any tie-in with flat Earth, etc. Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 3 hours ago, exile said: Science relies on testing knowledge and not just making assumptions. That's the way it's supposed to work. 3 hours ago, exile said: So physicists and astronomers ask themselves, what if the sun was only 30 (3000) miles away, or 30 miles across, or whatever. If only they would, and if only they were allowed to publish their findings. 3 hours ago, exile said: It wouldn't bother me if no one really believed the Earth to be flat. It would be like no one believing 2+2=4. 3 hours ago, exile said: It's still useful to demonstrate that answers to the appearance of 'heavenly bodies' can be found from simple demonstrations you can do at home. That's part of the illusion. 3 hours ago, exile said: I've learned lots of new things about space exploration (and Antarctic exploration) and even things about the geography of a flat planet. For me, anyway, those things can be worth discussing in public... I thank you for all of your recent posts. 3 hours ago, exile said: ...but I leave religion and conspiracy theories to others. Everything (like it or not) is connected, though. Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: I don't agree with the premise that these things are like dominoes. It's easier to see things once you are operating within the correct framework. (Our education system, media, etc. do their best to move the goalposts.) Quote
Huddersfield Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Scotty CTA said: It's easier to see things once you are operating within the correct framework. (Our education system, media, etc. do their best to move the goalposts.) At different times in my life, I've chosen religion, politics, psychology, philosophy & various combinations of them & other things to give me a framework to understand the world. I am 100% convinced though that the world is spheroid & that the Moon landings happened, probably 95% certain that 9/11 was what it seems to be, maybe 80% that JFK was what it seemed to be but not convinced at all by the official Diana story. So I see what you are saying, & as I said I think one thing you achieve very well is stopping me from going down a 'raising the eyebrows' & saying something is crap without at least understanding my own position. Quote
exile Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 34 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: That's the way it's supposed to work. If only they would, and if only they were allowed to publish their findings. It would be like no one believing 2+2=4. That's part of the illusion. I thank you for all of your recent posts. Everything (like it or not) is connected, though. Any other comments or outstanding questions I'll keep to on Lunar Eclipse. Quote
Chripper Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: Well, since the Holy Bible was 'God breathed' and written through 40 different people (from kings to prisoners) over 1,500 years who lived as far apart as 1,500 miles and where everyone agreed on everything, then I'm going to say that it'd be impossible for it to be the work of a single human. It's so deep, rich, and layered, that no one's ever got to the bottom of it, yet. How do you explain the 100% accuracy rate of prophecy? (Could a single human being maintain that over 6,000 years?) Try putting just three people in a room and see if they agree on everything. (Or closer to home, just look on here.) I'll ask you again, and will keep doing so till you give me a yes or a no. If God came to me in this year and I wrote the words he spoke to me, verbatim, would you believe me? Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 46 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: At different times in my life, I've chosen religion, politics, psychology, philosophy & various combinations of them & other things to give me a framework to attempt to understand the world. The first one is the worst one. 47 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: I am 100% convinced though for now that the world is spheroid & that the Moon landings happened... Don't settle, though. Keep searching and inquiring. Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Chripper said: I'll ask you again, and will keep doing so till you give me a yes or a no. If God came to me in this year and I wrote the words he spoke to through me, verbatim, would you believe me? No, because He wouldn't do that. The Bible has been finished. It's complete. "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book," Revelation 22:18 You seem to want a proof (that you are willing to accept with your current mindset) but we Christians believe by faith. Not blind faith, but faith based on the evidence of a Creator through creation, and the infallibility of God's Word. We are saved by faith, so God loves us too much to remove the only thing that we can be saved by. If you're hoping for 'an alien spaceship landing on the White House lawn' moment, then you're going to be disappointed. Quote
Chripper Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: Well, since the Holy Bible was 'God breathed' and written through 40 different people (from kings to prisoners) over 1,500 years who lived as far apart as 1,500 miles and where everyone agreed on everything, then I'm going to say that it'd be impossible for it to be the work of a single human OK. Can you give me the names of these alleged 40 different people? I mean, surely if they documented the word of God as well as the creation of every single matter there must be documentation of the names of these people? Quote
Chripper Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: No, because He wouldn't do that. The Bible has been finished. It's complete. And what if God, in his infinite wisdom, decided that he left something out or he wanted to make another declaration of his presence? So, what you're saying is that you would believe God to be a liar if I wrote the words that he spoke to me? Quote
phart Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 For me there is more evidence that 9/11 never happened as explained than there was Lance Armstrong cheated. Which were the two "conspiracy theories" I advanced on here for years. Scotty having turned me on to 9/11. Quote
phart Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 There is more evidence that RFK was murdered by others than any of the other theories as well. So if RFK was murdered by the intelligence state , JFK shot in Dallas and Ted miraculously surviving a plane crash then being put aside with the death of that girl in the car. RFK is so obvious a cover up. Quote
Huddersfield Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, thplinth said: Got a lot of respect for your posts Huddersfield but you are wrong about those two, badly. But that for sure does not mean the world is flat. I think the thing with me is that for most things in life I tend to start from a sceptical perspective. That's not to say I aren't open to possibilities, but I always need a fair bit of convincing...it's just my version of critical thinking really. So, 9/11, I've not really seen any alternative theory that trumps what I know about extremist Islamic ideology & geopolitics...I've had access to odd bits & bobs of information over the years & been in multi-agency meetings looking at strategies around domestic terrorism, & whilst that's a long way from 9/11, I have a perspective & evidence that makes the broad story credible to me. I am open-minded though, I just haven't been convinced yet. JFK - I put a lower score for that one because there are questions I can see around it, plus I've not really ever got very engaged in reading up on alternate theories. I've watched the odd TV programme over the years but never ended up with a strong view one way or the other. Where I diverge significantly from Scotty is the conflation of them all. I have read a lot, for example, on Kincora, Colin Wallace & Operation Clockwork Orange, so I know conspiracies & cover-ups happen, & politically (rather than Biblically) I think these clearly trace back to wealth, power & how it is exercised in the real world. So, yes I could be persuaded about 9/11 or JFK...I just haven't been yet. Quote
phart Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 You wont see alternative theories just sitting passively hoping to stumble across something. You look at the primary documents and notice contradictions in testimony. For example Norm Mineta the transport minister contradicting Dick Cheney's testimony. regarding to the shoot down orders. However there is literally a packed 5 hours of video needed to systematically take down the official story, so fuck doing that by typing it out on a message board. Quote
Huddersfield Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, phart said: You wont see alternative theories just sitting passively hoping to stumble across something. You look at the primary documents and notice contradictions in testimony. For example Norm Mineta the transport minister contradicting Dick Cheney's testimony. regarding to the shoot down orders. However there is literally a packed 5 hours of video needed to systematically take down the official story, so fuck doing that by typing it out on a message board. Yes, I think I know that...but being blunt when I have about 50 hours a week to put in at work, topped up with lord knows how many at home, a grandson to dote on & a dysfunctional football team to support, 5 hours of YouTube is a luxury I can’t really afford. Would they convince me? Maybe, maybe not. I have all sorts of things on my ‘to do’ reading list to be honest, but I spend such reading time as I have on the things that most grab my attention which aren’t really conspiracies generally speaking. I stay out of 9/11 & similar debates in truth because although I know what I think & believe, I also know I haven’t put in hours of research. That’s why I said 90 & not 100%. Quote
phart Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: Yes, I think I know that...but being blunt when I have about 50 hours a week to put in at work, topped up with lord knows how many at home, a grandson to dote on & a dysfunctional football team to support, 5 hours of YouTube is a luxury I can’t really afford. Would they convince me? Maybe, maybe not. I have all sorts of things on my ‘to do’ reading list to be honest, but I spend such reading time as I have on the things that most grab my attention which aren’t really conspiracies generally speaking. I stay out of 9/11 & similar debates in truth because although I know what I think & believe, I also know I haven’t put in hours of research. That’s why I said 90 & not 100%. Yeah i was just pointing out unless you go looking for it, you won't find it. Trust me i'd much rather have the interesting life where i never bothered finding out out all this stuff, cause it does you no good. In another life i'd have ignored it all. ps you said 95% and never look into the RFK assassination that is the one that opened up a lot of this shit for me. Obvious cover-up then that pries open the door to everything else. You have enough on your plate with Huddersfield Quote
Toepoke Posted January 13, 2019 Author Posted January 13, 2019 Anyhoo, video released of the Yutu rover patrolling the lunar surface... Quote
Scotty CTA Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Chripper said: OK. Can you give me the names of these alleged 40 different people? I mean, surely if they documented the word of God as well as the creation of every single matter there must be documentation of the names of these people? You can't be serious. 4 hours ago, Chripper said: And what if God, in his infinite wisdom, decided that he left something out... So God, in His infinite wisdom, forgot something? 4 hours ago, Chripper said: ...or he wanted to make another declaration of his presence? Being God, He would have just used prophesy in the first instance. 4 hours ago, Chripper said: So, what you're saying is that you would believe God to be a liar if I wrote the words that he spoke to me? No, you would either be mistaken, deceived, delusional, or a liar. Quote
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