Armchair Bob Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 The other thing we need to know from the 55... do they think Scotland is subsidised? And what is their prime source of information? I would bet that the majority of them still think that the UK is a good financial deal for Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 you don't mean?......... They are definitely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 They are definitely not. I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Growing up there Aberdeen especially is giving me the deep boak. Loads of people have moved to Aberdeen because of oil related work. You (or I) would have nothing in common with those of them that voted NO. (Being a bit harsh on your hometown methinks.) Loads in Aberdeen voted YES. Try not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Loads of people have moved to Aberdeen because of oil related work. You (or I) would have nothing in common with those of them that voted NO. (Being a bit harsh on your hometown methinks.) Loads in Aberdeen voted YES. Try not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I left Aberdeen full time in 1986 Scotty. All of this is based on old friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Assuming that we all believe in achieving independence through the ballot box, it is the people who voted No, or at least some of them, that we need to convince of our case to do so. What is achieved by accentuating differences, talking about having nothing in common with the very constituency from which we need to gain votes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Assuming that we all believe in achieving independence through the ballot box, it is the people who voted No, or at least some of them, that we need to convince of our case to do so. What is achieved by accentuating differences, talking about having nothing in common with the very constituency from which we need to gain votes? I do not accept the legitimacy of the No. They broke every 'rule' in the book so they can suck my aching stump of fukk off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokesy Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 The other thing we need to know from the 55... do they think Scotland is subsidised? And what is their prime source of information? I would bet that the majority of them still think that the UK is a good financial deal for Scotland. It's not a case of whether or not we're subsidised at the moment. It's a case of how things will be after independence. Can we retain the business we currently have whilst attracting new investment? The fact that certain banks were talking about moving their headquarters indicates that we may see a drop in revenue in the short term. Assuming that we all believe in achieving independence through the ballot box, it is the people who voted No, or at least some of them, that we need to convince of our case to do so. What is achieved by accentuating differences, talking about having nothing in common with the very constituency from which we need to gain votes? Nothing whatsoever. It's in everyone's best interests to move forward together to make Scotland as prosperous as possible. Unfortunately I don't think the chances of this happening are particularly high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wembley67lisbon Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Why was aberdeen so no? Full of rich s? Cause any aberdeen person I know (tamb members ) are yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Extreme0 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Seriously what happens if there is a vote on Europe and the south votes to leave? Do we meekly accept it? I think Scotland is very pro Europe is it not? It will be time to call for another Referendum. The UK goverment may want to stop it but if things turn really bitter like Ukraine did with it's EU thing. They can't risk facing full retalation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I honestly believe if there was to be a referendum next year & the currency issue was sorted out, Yes would walk it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albathebrave Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 whats worse than a no voter? a pretend yes one! fckers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albathebrave Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 yes stickers everywhere hardly a no one ashamed fuckers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 My parents, both over 65 years and very comfortably off both voted Yes. 2 of my female neighbours one 36, other about 40 both single parents with good jobs but not with money to burn so to speak, both voted No. 5 guys I know, good jobs too, all No's. My 3 closest girlfriends aged 30 - 50 all Yes. For me it's been No = ignorance or I'm alright Jack f*ck you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jie Bie Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 One no voter admitted to my face they voted No for "selfish reasons". They said they would have voted Yes if they were in their twenties, because they would have been young, or if they were in their sixties, because they would have been old, but as they were in between and comfortable in life they voted No. I had nothing to say to that other than "well everyone has a right to vote for whatever they want for whatever reason you want". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 One no voter admitted to my face they voted No for "selfish reasons". They said they would have voted Yes if they were in their twenties, because they would have been young, or if they were in their sixties, because they would have been old, but as they were in between and comfortable in life they voted No. I had nothing to say to that other than "well everyone has a right to vote for whatever they want for whatever reason you want". I have to admire you for your manners and restraint JB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jie Bie Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I have to admire you for your manners and restraint JB. Nothing else to do. Showing resentment and bitterness to folk who have voted No this time around is counter-productive. I was nearly greeting when I drove past a big Yes poster on Friday, but calling No voters traitors and quislings won't increase our share of the vote from 45% to 55%. I genuinely believe that other than the animals in George Square last night, most people in Scotland would be prepared to vote Yes, if we can get the sales pitch right next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Growing up there Aberdeen especially is giving me the deep boak. I felt sick sitting in pittodrie yesterday. I could hear guys behind me laughing at salmond, saying he ran away with his tail between his legs. I did take a small amount of pride though in hearing from one of the local councillors in fraserburgh that fraserburgh was 70% yes. It's barely a conciliation though considering the rest of Aberdeenshire are more concerned with what's in their bank balance I don't know how I will feel at ibrox next month sitting with guys I know who voted NO but they will belt out FOS as if they mean it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It has crystallized in my mind a few things about Aberdeen. As a city she has really let herself down and shown herself up. Nouveau riche... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I don't know how I will feel at ibrox next month sitting with guys I know who voted NO but they will belt out FOS as if they mean it. An extended chant of "WE ARE THE 45" might get them tae think again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Or 45 and proud of it? Or you're not Scottish anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I think looking back Salmond must have recognized our achilles heel in the pensioners and that is why over the last 4 years he made sure they were well looked after versus their english counterparts. I assume he theorized / hoped they would see that these benefits were the consequence of having power and not relinquishing it. As for Edinburgh, lots of sneering private schools and a big professional sector... who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 If the SNP are returned to power with a majority they will (rightly or wrongly) continue to protect them but if that means having a differential tax rate in Scotland than in England then No the pensioners will lose the extra benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I am from Edinburgh and it is clear many in the city are upper class toffs who are happy with the way things are as their wallets and bulging and stomachs are full. Also get the sense a lot of royalists inhabit the city and a lot of English students who you don't need to be an expert to guess how they voted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 English people get quite irate about the fact that Scottish pensioners get things they do not yet we all pay the same social taxes. It seems very 'unfair' and of course they are right, it is. It was done to send them a signal about what you can do when you have control. It was only ever going to be sustainable if we went all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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