TDYER63 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Everytime there is a terrorist attack in Western Europe /America there is the same arguement on here about the lack of grief for victims of attacks elsewhere. Sky news has covered nothing but this all day, I doubt the Baghdad attacks got anything similar. I would hope that the condemnation of this attack by the general public is more to do with the wall to wall coverage they are fed by the news and not because of the colour of someone's skin. And whilst sympathy should go to any country that suffers an attack, France really has had more than its fair share, for want of a better phrase. I do not agree with all the extreme outpouring of grief, but the alternative , to be desensitised to all these deaths, is worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 6 hours ago, Mox said: Selective grief based on the colour of peoples skin and their nationality. Bastards indeed. so the French and their neighbouring countries in offering their sympathy are showing selective grief? a ridiculous accusation and one that is lazily trotted out as an act of snobbery against (the admittedly sometimes moronic) FB generation. You may though have had a slightly stronger point on here if you had started threads based on any recent bombing in Kabul, Baghdad or Syria......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAS Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Are the French seen as a soft touch? Why no large scale terror attacks in Italy or Germany? Are their security services better equipped to monitor any threat? It looks like the Germans are. It only takes one loner to kill 80+ people. It could happen anywhere and it won't be surprising if it happens closer to home. A lot of the planning is being done online now. Have imprisoned hackers repay their debts by using their skills. Would also be very interested to see who's profiting from all this now and in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 9 hours ago, Parklife said: Truly horrific stuff. Can't imagine the horror that those caught up in this must have felt as the situation unfolded. I was in nice 4 weeks ago today for the Spain vs Turkey match. Walked along the promenade, had a few drinks in the promenade bars and got the bus from the official fan zone (right on the promenade) to the game. It really makes it hit home that all that is stopping me getting caught up in this is luck. Nice is a beautiful town and really friendly people. So sad In keeping with the football theme, ISIS/ terrorism really is France with western governments being Scotland. They are out manoevering intelligence services at every turn . Barely a week has passed since the end of the Euros and with security having no doubt dropped a peg they give a great big GIRUY to France on their very own Bastille Day. As an aside, all these attacks along with the shambolic post Eu referendum shennanigns has made me even more convinced that Trident must be binned. Total waste of money that could be better spent elsewhere plus a deterrent is only of use if the enemy think you will actualy use it . Given the Uk government are struggling to deal with a Brexit sutuation what are the chances of anyone having the balls to release a nuclear weapon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) 29 minutes ago, OLAS said: Are the French seen as a soft touch? Why no large scale terror attacks in Italy or Germany? Are their security services better equipped to monitor any threat? It looks like the Germans are. It only takes one loner to kill 80+ people. It could happen anywhere and it won't be surprising if it happens closer to home. A lot of the planning is being done online now. Have imprisoned hackers repay their debts by using their skills. Would also be very interested to see who's profiting from all this now and in the future. France has a huge history of terrorism due to them basically taking over the southern ottaman empire after WWI. EDIT: Algerian conflict etc Edited July 15, 2016 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, TDYER63 said: In keeping with the football theme, ISIS/ terrorism really is France with western governments being Scotland. They are out manoevering intelligence services at every turn . Barely a week has passed since the end of the Euros and with security having no doubt dropped a peg they give a great big GIRUY to France on their very own Bastille Day. Correct me if i am wrong but i dont believe ISIS have claimed responsibility yet The only connection so far is this "French Prime Minister Manuel Valls says Nice attacker was one way or the other linked to radical Islamist circles". Im not even sure what that means Either he was or wasnt As someone else has already mentioned - Are we really sure that mowing down hundreds of people with a lorry was this guy's original intention ? I realise in all likelihood ISIS will claim responsibility at some juncture but still ...... Edited July 15, 2016 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 2 hours ago, Return of Yermaw said: so the French and their neighbouring countries in offering their sympathy are showing selective grief? a ridiculous accusation and one that is lazily trotted out as an act of snobbery against (the admittedly sometimes moronic) FB generation. You may though have had a slightly stronger point on here if you had started threads based on any recent bombing in Kabul, Baghdad or Syria......... I'm not interested in starting threads flaunting my grief and disdain for the people who carry out these attacks, it literally goes without saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: Correct me if i am wrong but i dont believe ISIS have claimed responsibility yet The only connection so far is this "French Prime Minister Manuel Valls says Nice attacker was one way or the other linked to radical Islamist circles". Im not even sure what that means Either he was or wasnt As someone else has already mentioned - Are we really sure that mowing down hundreds of people with a lorry was this guy's original intention ? I realise in all likelihood ISIS will claim responsibility at some juncture but still ...... No , you are absolutely correct, there has been no confirmation. That is why is said ISIS/ terrorism, as in any kind of terrorism, i wasnt certain it was ISIS. But it is terrorism of that there is no doubt , and they are winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunchy Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 It does strike me as odd that this is being called a terrorist attack when there have been no concrete evidence of links to radical groups. His father has stated he was being treated for psychotic episodes and when he had a breakdown would basically turn berserker. Could it not be that he has just had a massive breakdown and somehow thought he was doing the right thing. The media are doing my head in constantly using phrases to ingrain that this was a terrorists attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 If it had been a mental white guy he would have already been declared as a rogue mental white guy who commited a tragedy. This was a mental muslim guy and instantly he's an isis terrorist and syria is getting bombed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Seems his family say he wasn't really a muslim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAS Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 IS are now claiming they did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 nah some weirdo loner did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAS Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 4 hours ago, phart said: nah some weirdo loner did it. I think so, but there's nothing to stop anyone/group claiming it. However, anyone with an ISIS avatar saying "Aye, we did it" will automatically have credence as many people want to point the finger at Islam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 Nightmare. Always willing to blame religion, but it just looks like a very bad person. Siht seems a bit of an understatement but in a way says it all. 15 hours ago, Cove_Sheep said: Seems his family say he wasn't really a muslim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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