thistle do nicely Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 no thanks (i'm all talk me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 39 minutes ago, Geed said: Stay for me, deserves the coming campaign, I will judge him on competitive games not end of the season friendlies when players aren't motivated after a long hard season playing teams who are up for the euros starting Must take 7 points minimum from first 3 games, wins against malta and luthiania and at least draw in slovakia who I think we will win against, just my opinion. Everyone is judging him on the failure of the last campaign and the lack of change following on from that failure. Nothing like blind optimism and denial before a campaign begins - Classic Scotland! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistle do nicely Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 30 minutes ago, Och Aye said: Did you not see how well Iceland did in qualifying thistle? Hope you've got some nice seasoning for that bunnet. I choose to believe they only finished second in a group with the worst holland team in 2 generations, Turkey, meh, and a Czech team we do alright against. They've one decent player and he'll be marked silly in every match. They were better with Eidur Gudjohnson and won nothing. I refuse to believe they are better than us, yes they have coaches for kids but football is down to natural talent (as anyone who has seen me kick a ball into my own face will testify). My tiny bunnet is ready though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellyman Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 I am waiting to see how NI do in their group, they have the first & second place teams from our qualifying group, it will interesting to see how their results go now they have to face real competition ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistle do nicely Posted June 8, 2016 Share Posted June 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, wellyman said: I am waiting to see how NI do in their group, they have the first & second place teams from our qualifying group, it will interesting to see how their results go now they have to face real competition ? I think they will defend well for the first half, then capitulate in the second Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 I would rather be in Icelands position than ours. I would give Strachan another 2 full campaigns. Get rid of the deadwood and make us hard to beat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 19 hours ago, thistle do nicely said: I choose to believe they only finished second in a group with the worst holland team in 2 generations, Turkey, meh, and a Czech team we do alright against. They've one decent player and he'll be marked silly in every match. They were better with Eidur Gudjohnson and won nothing. I refuse to believe they are better than us, yes they have coaches for kids but football is down to natural talent (as anyone who has seen me kick a ball into my own face will testify). My tiny bunnet is ready though... We would have finished fourth in their group and would have played defensively v Holland and been pumped twice. They attacked v Holland (Something we don't do) and deserved to win. They are miles ahead of us in every footballing sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 1 hour ago, girvanTA said: I would rather be in Icelands position than ours. I would give Strachan another 2 full campaigns. Get rid of the deadwood and make us hard to beat If Strachan stays in charge long enough, S Fletcher will still be getting a game when he is 40 and probably still only have 2 goals against decent opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistle do nicely Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 10 hours ago, ProudScot said: We would have finished fourth in their group and would have played defensively v Holland and been pumped twice. They attacked v Holland (Something we don't do) and deserved to win. They are miles ahead of us in every footballing sense. We attacked home and away against Germany so we might have done the same against holland, we've beaten the Czechs away from home recently and Iceland are pants, so I don't agree . Be interesting to see how they do in the tourny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, thistle do nicely said: We attacked home and away against Germany so we might have done the same against holland, we've beaten the Czechs away from home recently and Iceland are pants, so I don't agree . Be interesting to see how they do in the tourny We play in a formation that is ultimately defensive but allows us to supposedly counter quickly - and to be fair throughout the whole cmpaign we did it effectively maybe twice. We did this both home and away to Germany though we do in every game under Strachan regardless of the opposition. If you consider that attacking then that's a pretty generous assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistle do nicely Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 12 minutes ago, Return of Yermaw said: We play in a formation that is ultimately defensive but allows us to supposedly counter quickly - and to be fair throughout the whole cmpaign we did it effectively maybe twice. We did this both home and away to Germany though we do in every game under Strachan regardless of the opposition. If you consider that attacking then that's a pretty generous assessment. I think there is a downer on everything because we didnt qualify and stank in the last 2 friendlies, but we held our own against poland with a world class striker, did better against ireland than they did against us. We were actually really unlucky Germany pissed points away against them. We even started winning friendlies, unheard of! We might just be in a stage where the older players now know they will never qualify for something, and our decent young players have disappointed so we are back to relying on players that aren't motivated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, thistle do nicely said: I think there is a downer on everything because we didnt qualify and stank in the last 2 friendlies, but we held our own against poland with a world class striker, did better against ireland than they did against us. We were actually really unlucky Germany pissed points away against them. We even started winning friendlies, unheard of! We might just be in a stage where the older players now know they will never qualify for something, and our decent young players have disappointed so we are back to relying on players that aren't motivated We have regressed significantly since the promising start under Strachan and it is apparent he has no way to arrest the decline. He only knows to play one system and it is simply failing - and/or other teams are now wise to it. We were not unlucky to Germany, and if you are citing a factor as the continual selection of unmotivated players (when of course the manager can address this in a number of ways) then you are really either clutching at straws or have absolute unhinge blind faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Being the only home nation not to qualify should be motivation enough to put in better performances and get to the next tournament. It says a lot about our players character if they need motivation to play for their country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistle do nicely Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, Return of Yermaw said: We have regressed significantly since the promising start under Strachan and it is apparent he has no way to arrest the decline. He only knows to play one system and it is simply failing - and/or other teams are now wise to it. We were not unlucky to Germany, and if you are citing a factor as the continual selection of unmotivated players (when of course the manager can address this in a number of ways) then you are really either clutching at straws or have absolute unhinge blind faith. I didnt say we were unlucky against Germany, we were unlucky Ireland defended for an entire match against Germany then long balled it and scored. Ireland got 4 points against Germany, if Germany had got their finger out we would have been third. I just don't think too much should be read into two matches where the players are facing a summer watching the euros on tv that would rather be on their holidays. We're sick, can you imagine how they feel watching ireland and N Ireland at the euros? I think we got worse as the campaign went on, some of that might have been down to bottle, and as you say a counter attack style will never be decent against Ireland and their antifootball, and we didnt change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistle do nicely Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 1 minute ago, vanderark14 said: Being the only home nation not to qualify should be motivation enough to put in better performances and get to the next tournament. It says a lot about our players character if they need motivation to play for their country Obviously I wouldnt know, but being the only ones not at a party must make them want to spew. They are bound to try harder once it matters again. They were being used like an ugly bird for a bit of practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noctonjock Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 When Bannan stopped playing so did Scotland, what I mean is he didn't feature at all in the last 4 games and I think it coincided with our decline. He was definitely one of our better players in the first half of the campaign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, noctonjock said: When Bannan stopped playing so did Scotland, what I mean is he didn't feature at all in the last 4 games and I think it coincided with our decline. He was definitely one of our better players in the first half of the campaign According to some "he's too wee" and we need big tall bruiser type players to battle to heroic 0-0 draws against Lithuania and Malta. An attitude which got us into this bloody awful mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 9 hours ago, ErsatzThistle said: According to some "he's too wee" and we need big tall bruiser type players to battle to heroic 0-0 draws against Lithuania and Malta. An attitude which got us into this bloody awful mess. Two sides to this. Bannan's should be in, he makes us tick. We do need pace and power upfront though. We need lucky goals, and as Strachan says, we currently require about 10 passes to get a shot away. Get the ball up quickly and have a crack but without lumping it up the park. That's where Bannan comes in and wide players with pace and a good first touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossman4 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Bannan didn't play enough in the last campaign. Only game he started was Germany away where was subbed after an hour then played 15 mins at home to Gibraltar, never kicked another ball but hi club form during that was poor up until this season. I like Bannan and the fact he's now settled and playing well at Sheffield Wednesday he gives something different and the ability to pick out a pass, we became far to reliant on Maloney on the last campaign and now we should have Bannan as well as Snodgrass to come in gives us some other options there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossman4 Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 Apparently a column he's doing through the tournament http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/exclusive-gordon-strachan-cannot-bear-8151958#1uheSVxuvuS12JZY.97 Honest enough, holds his hands up. Though a worry that he wouldn't of realised that about the France game when taking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radian Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 We can't just constantly sack a manager every failed campaign....there would be none left haha ;( !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 I said this on another thread, but to me its all about attacking intent. We need a couple of players who will try something to get in behind the opposition's defence. Strachan was talking about bravery when he first started, he has to recognise that we still don't have that in the team. Snodgrass back is a boost and if we can get Bannan in the team too, there is a couple of players who may try something a bit more audacious and less predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 1 minute ago, runningtings said: I said this on another thread, but to me its all about attacking intent. We need a couple of players who will try something to get in behind the opposition's defence. Strachan was talking about bravery when he first started, he has to recognise that we still don't have that in the team. Snodgrass back is a boost and if we can get Bannan in the team too, there is a couple of players who may try something a bit more audacious and less predictable. The players are only as brave as the formation allows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Return of Yermaw said: The players are only as brave as the formation allows. An example would be Ritchie against France Lost count of the number of times he got the ball and was faced with the France fullback, had a look, didn't fancy it and played it back to one of our defenders. WTF?? At least try something to get by the FB once in a while! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 10, 2016 Share Posted June 10, 2016 14 hours ago, noctonjock said: When Bannan stopped playing so did Scotland, what I mean is he didn't feature at all in the last 4 games and I think it coincided with our decline. He was definitely one of our better players in the first half of the campaign Do you actually bother to check the facts before posting? Bannan only played two games in the qualifiers. 58 minutes in Dortmund and 16 minutes at home to Gibraltar. Clearly he's such an influential player that he impacts games he isn't even playing in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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