Ally Bongo Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) All over twittersphere that Martinez has been sacked though there is nothing official Would imagine that the Everton gig would be Moyes first choice and Martinez will be punted for Celtic If he gets the job is the likely scenario that in the opening week of the season Celtic play away from home and look like Barcelona then hover around the relegation spots for the remainder before coming onto a game again in the last few weeks to save themselves ? Thats kinda been his modus operandi with Wigan and Everton All this pish about him being a manager that has his teams playing the "right" way A charlatan Edited April 24, 2016 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Another man the club wouldn't afford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 8 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: All over twittersphere that Martinez has been sacked though there is nothing official Would imagine that the Everton gig would be Moyes first choice and Martinez will be punted for Celtic If he gets the job is the likely scenario that in the opening week of the season Celtic play away from home and look like Barcelona then hover around the relegation spots for the remainder before coming onto a game again in the last few weeks to save themselves ? Thats kinda been his modus operandi with Wigan and Everton All this pish about him being a manager that has his teams playing the "right" way A charlatan Disagree pretty strongly. At Swansea he took them from mid-table also rans to League One Champions in 18 months. He then finished just 1 point outside the play-offs spots in the Championship the following year. Martinez kept Wigan in the league when their budget suggested they should go down. He had them playing football that was enjoyable to watch and he won an FA Cup. The job he did there was outstanding. Everton had an excellent season in his first year and were very near to getting in to one of the Champions League spots. I'd wager that most Everton fans enjoyed that season more than any other they've had in a long time. He's brought through Barkley (who David Moyes never gave a chance to), John Stones, Ben Galloway and has signed some excellent young players in Besic and Deulofeu.  Since then the team have regressed, Martinez seems unable to fix the obvious problems they have defensively and it's costing them massively. Ultimately that is going to cost him his job. However, i think you're doing him a massive disservice.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 He's a much better manager than he was player for Motherwell! Would make most fans diddy XI, complete waste of a jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 If it is to be Steve Clarke, as a few 'in the know' punters are suggesting, I really hope Slasher got to the bookies. 66-1 a couple of days ago into 3-1 apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Angus_Young said: If it is to be Steve Clarke, as a few 'in the know' punters are suggesting, I really hope Slasher got to the bookies. 66-1 a couple of days ago into 3-1 apparently. There's got to be money to be made on these markets for folk. back a 66/1 shot, start a rumour, send a few tweets or whatever, and next thing your mans 3/1. Then lay him off. I mucked up big time when Tony Mowbray got the Celtic job, I'd been backing and laying Mowbray and Coyle, but inexplicably put all my eggs in the Owen coyle basket, meaning I broke even if Mowbray got it, and would've won about £1200 if Coyle got it. Cant remember the exact ins and outs, but think I'd only ever had a out £10 of my own money at stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Haha aye that's a very good point. I was reading Mark Warburton was 66's in some bookies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 6 hours ago, Angus_Young said: If it is to be Steve Clarke, as a few 'in the know' punters are suggesting, I really hope Slasher got to the bookies. 66-1 a couple of days ago into 3-1 apparently. I've a load of time for Steve Clarke, primarily due to his time at Chelsea as a player and as Assistant Manager.  I reckon he's a great coach and assistant but not cut out for the manager's role and certainly not in a job as pressured as Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMcoolJ Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 15 minutes ago, aaid said: I've a load of time for Steve Clarke, primarily due to his time at Chelsea as a player and as Assistant Manager.  I reckon he's a great coach and assistant but not cut out for the manager's role and certainly not in a job as pressured as Celtic. Steve Clarke is too likeable.  That just wouldn't do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Can't imagine Celtic fans getting to enthused about Steve Clarke. Strikes me as exactly the type board would want. Would find it hilarious if Keane got it - even watching him as a pundit on itv you can tell he would just upset far too many folk involved wether it be players, off field staff, directors etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock strap Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 8 hours ago, Parklife said: Disagree pretty strongly. At Swansea he took them from mid-table also rans to League One Champions in 18 months. He then finished just 1 point outside the play-offs spots in the Championship the following year. Martinez kept Wigan in the league when their budget suggested they should go down. He had them playing football that was enjoyable to watch and he won an FA Cup. The job he did there was outstanding. Everton had an excellent season in his first year and were very near to getting in to one of the Champions League spots. I'd wager that most Everton fans enjoyed that season more than any other they've had in a long time. He's brought through Barkley (who David Moyes never gave a chance to), John Stones, Ben Galloway and has signed some excellent young players in Besic and Deulofeu.  Since then the team have regressed, Martinez seems unable to fix the obvious problems they have defensively and it's costing them massively. Ultimately that is going to cost him his job. However, i think you're doing him a massive disservice.  Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock strap Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 6 hours ago, Angus_Young said: Haha aye that's a very good point. I was reading Mark Warburton was 66's in some bookies Not got the experience to manage a top club. Hasnt he always been a lower league manager ? Awaiting the incoming  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock strap Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 7 hours ago, sbcmfc said: He's a much better manager than he was player for Motherwell! Would make most fans diddy XI, complete waste of a jersey. I was speaking to a lad about him yesterday and the topic came up about better managers than they were players. This lad laughed and said Martin O'Neil falls into that category. Martin O'Neil ? The double European Cup winner !!!! Red faced mate walked off  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 9 hours ago, Parklife said: Disagree pretty strongly. At Swansea he took them from mid-table also rans to League One Champions in 18 months. He then finished just 1 point outside the play-offs spots in the Championship the following year. Martinez kept Wigan in the league when their budget suggested they should go down. He had them playing football that was enjoyable to watch and he won an FA Cup. The job he did there was outstanding. Everton had an excellent season in his first year and were very near to getting in to one of the Champions League spots. I'd wager that most Everton fans enjoyed that season more than any other they've had in a long time. He's brought through Barkley (who David Moyes never gave a chance to), John Stones, Ben Galloway and has signed some excellent young players in Besic and Deulofeu.  Since then the team have regressed, Martinez seems unable to fix the obvious problems they have defensively and it's costing them massively. Ultimately that is going to cost him his job. However, i think you're doing him a massive disservice.  Everyone is entitled to an opinion Did you take into consideration the squad he inherited ? 1 hour ago, jock strap said: Spot on. Everton fans (who's opinion is probably more worthy than ours) would seem to disagree  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock strap Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Everton fans (who's opinion is probably more worthy than ours) would seem to disagree  Everyone is entitled to an opinion and yes, I agree that the Everton fans are restless and unsettled with him at this very moment. But I know quite a few Everton fans mate, some of whom are season ticket holders who still rate him as a decent manager. I valid their opinion aswell. But each to their own. I'd have him at Dundee United any day of the week  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Martinez is an over rated tosser, relegated a club, then gets a bigger job, it was comical. He should never have been given the Everton job, it's too big of a club for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: Everyone is entitled to an opinion Did you take into consideration the squad he inherited ? Everton fans (who's opinion is probably more worthy than ours) would seem to disagree  Yeah, he inherited a decent squad. He immediately got an excellent season from that squad and supplemented it with some excellent young players. He made players who were already there better. As I said, he's been unable to fix his sides defensive deficiencies. That'll cost him his job. It doesn't make his previous good work (at both Everton, Swansea or Wigan) worthless though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 I think Martinez has his sights set higher than Celtic I'd imagine. As far as I'm aware, and despite a poorer season with Everton, he's pretty well thought of in England. I'd imagine that he wouldn't be out of a Premiership job for long. Please, please, please let it be Roy Keane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 With the squad at Everton he has done a poor job this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 10 minutes ago, macy37 said: With the squad at Everton he has done a poor job this season. Aye, you're right about that. It can happen though. I still think he's a good manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynnyboy Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 15 hours ago, thplinth said: Reckon Martinez got the long term structure from Moyes and then breathed a new spirit into Everton which gave them a big burst that lasted one season before they decayed gradually to where we are now. Martinez's big success in his first season made Moyes look even more terrible in his first season. But now Martinez is pulling Moyes' reputation back out the fire a bit. My brother is a season ticket holder at Goodison, lives down there now and I've been going regularly since 2000. Martinez is an extremely likeable man and his ethos on football is admirable but there are some serious doubt about his credibility as a manager. First season was outstanding. Highest points ever achieved by an Everton side in premiership. Could strongly be argued that this was down to the defensive stability left by moyes being complimented by a newly implemented attacking flair. It was a joy to behold. Last season the cracks started to appear. Big time. Defensively shocking and the amount of goals lost as a direct and indirect result of an inability to defend set pieces was inexcusable. This season started promisingly. Some great football being played but once more the inability to defend, particularly set pieces again has led to where we are now which is in a position currently where Everton have their worst home point total in their long history. Additionally players have came out and raised some genuinely staggering claims. Distin and Osman, who was particularly damning in his book, have both said that the team simply do not work on set pieces defensively or in an attacking sense. Distin was also highly critical of the fitness levels under Martinez. That is staggering incompetence and inexcusable at this level. Baines, team captain has came out on 3 occasions over the last 12 months, once to critique the shape and how exposed it left the team, he claims to have approached Martinez with his concerns which were dismissed. Twice this season he has again critiqued our defensive shape and our "chemistry". It has also been acknowledged that Martinez does not make substitutions. He leaves this massively important aspect to Graeme Jones, his assistant. Bizarre, but could work I suppose, it hasn't though. Spectacularly so at times. That's not even talking about his unbelievable loyalty to Howard, worth at least a goal a game to the opposition over the past two years, which ultimately will play a big part in his dismissal. He has in the last 8 weeks completely lost the team. Not something I like to see but it was clear as day and at that point there is rarely a route back. The fine second half performance on Saturday seemed to scream out that the players ignored instruction and went out and expressed themselves. A throughly nice guy, if not horrifically stubborn and did have some fine success at Swansea and Wigan originally but they ultimately suffered from his lack of defensive coaching ability as Everton are now. A manager who is capable of getting teams playing fabulous football but a complete lack of tactical awareness, which is a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 19 hours ago, jock strap said: I was speaking to a lad about him yesterday and the topic came up about better managers than they were players. This lad laughed and said Martin O'Neil falls into that category. Martin O'Neil ? The double European Cup winner !!!! Red faced mate walked off  Heard Hugh Keevins (briefly) on the radio last night saying O'Neill is the only man who can fix the mess the club is in...  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 21 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Heard Hugh Keevins (briefly) on the radio last night saying O'Neill is the only man who can fix the mess the club is in... Â What an idiot. I doubt Martin O'neill would relish that challenge. He was a bit of his time, for want of a better description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellyman Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 17 hours ago, Rossy said: I think Martinez has his sights set higher than Celtic I'd imagine. As far as I'm aware, and despite a poorer season with Everton, he's pretty well thought of in England. I'd imagine that he wouldn't be out of a Premiership job for long. Please, please, please let it be Roy Keane. Don't wet your wellies Rossy !!!  -  Keane will be no where near the Celtic job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock strap Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 56 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Heard Hugh Keevins (briefly) on the radio last night saying O'Neill is the only man who can fix the mess the club is in...  I rate him as a manager, but the current team and the one he had at his disposal are completely different quality wise. He'd be mad to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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