Larky Masher Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, aaid said: It's actually higher than that - 27.5% in 2015 - but then people born in the UK aren't immigrants, are they? They are not immigrants but neither are they "English" from the perspective of those who are concerned with this and in some instances they are right there are some very insular communities in parts of England where there little integration until the kids go to school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 hours ago, aaid said: Don't want to piss on your chips but England has almost exactly the same immigrant percentage on that basis. From the 2011 census, 83.64% of the population was English born. Fair enough.... So underlines how different the attitude south and north of the border are given similar demographics then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, aaid said: It's actually higher than that - 27.5% in 2015 - but then people born in the UK aren't immigrants, are they? 1 hour ago, Larky Masher said: They are not immigrants but neither are they "English" from the perspective of those who are concerned with this and in some instances they are right there are some very insular communities in parts of England where there little integration until the kids go to school. How many of that 27.5% are white though? Presumably they can be discounted in this equation, as they would surely be accepted as 'proper English' by the UKIP mentality. For example, the grandparents of Britain First's leader were both Dutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 1 hour ago, flumax said: Fair enough.... So underlines how different the attitude south and north of the border are given similar demographics then How are the attitudes different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 48 minutes ago, Alan said: How are the attitudes different? are you finding this difficult to follow..? I realise Logic and Common Sense have never really been your strong points The reason given that England is going right wing/Anti Immigration/UKIP etc is that Immigration is high and we are told Scotland would be the same if we had that level of immigration. Ie Scots would be racist/Foreign Hating /Ukip voting twats if we had the same level of immigration as England The figures here show that Scotland does have the same numbers of Immigrates as England.. and we dont vote for Rightwing/Foreign Hating/ ukip Twats. ( Well some, a very small Minority Do) Therefore there is a difference in attitudes, Scots can absorb Immigrants and still stay mostly Social Democratically/ Left wing while the Attitudes in England are markedly different. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 19 minutes ago, stocky said: are you finding this difficult to follow..? I realise Logic and Common Sense have never really been your strong points The reason given that England is going right wing/Anti Immigration/UKIP etc is that Immigration is high and we are told Scotland would be the same if we had that level of immigration. Ie Scots would be racist/Foreign Hating /Ukip voting twats if we had the same level of immigration as England The figures here show that Scotland does have the same numbers of Immigrates as England.. and we dont vote for Rightwing/Foreign Hating/ ukip Twats. ( Well some, a very small Minority Do) Therefore there is a difference in attitudes, Scots can absorb Immigrants and still stay mostly Social Democratically/ Left wing while the Attitudes in England are markedly different. . Thank you for explaining. Same level of immigration, yet different attitudes to immigration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest flumax Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 50 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: 50 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Logic who needs that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 14 hours ago, aaid said: I see that there are reports from Catalonia that the government there has unofficial agreement from 11 EU countries that they will recognise their independence. There is due to be a referendum in September - which will not be binding under the Spanish constitution - but the expectation is that if they win, they will declare UDI. If so, then that will make the "Spain will veto Scotland " argument null and void. A Yes vote in Catalonia would be a big boost for indyref2 in several ways. Would be interesting to see unionist's tying themselves in knots over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 9 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: The big problem is trying to explain this sort of stuff to the voting public. It is not going to be easy. I believe that a lot of politicians don't understand this sort of basic economic stuff. So, it's going to be hard getting through to ordinary folk who have little or no interest. That is going to be the big challenge. It needs to be "sexed up" a bit to make it more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 36 minutes ago, Alibi said: A Yes vote in Catalonia would be a big boost for indyref2 in several ways. Would be interesting to see unionist's tying themselves in knots over it. And hopefully with Euskadi not far behind the Catalans in giving Madrid two fingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Apologies for the intrusive apostrophe in that last post. Tried to get in to edit it out but can't. I may have to resign from the grammar police as a result... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 13 hours ago, Dave78 said: How many of that 27.5% are white though? Presumably they can be discounted in this equation, as they would surely be accepted as 'proper English' by the UKIP mentality. For example, the grandparents of Britain First's leader were both Dutch. Oh aye UKIP love the Poles and Rumanians, the two biggest "white" groups is the statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Don't forget the german and greek influence in gran britania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Larky Masher said: Oh aye UKIP love the Poles and Rumanians, the two biggest "white" groups is the statistics. The UK born children of Polish/Romanian parents, yes, i think they'd be accepted as English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 On 26/01/2017 at 10:36 PM, stocky said: are you finding this difficult to follow..? I realise Logic and Common Sense have never really been your strong points The reason given that England is going right wing/Anti Immigration/UKIP etc is that Immigration is high and we are told Scotland would be the same if we had that level of immigration. Ie Scots would be racist/Foreign Hating /Ukip voting twats if we had the same level of immigration as England The figures here show that Scotland does have the same numbers of Immigrates as England.. and we dont vote for Rightwing/Foreign Hating/ ukip Twats. ( Well some, a very small Minority Do) Therefore there is a difference in attitudes, Scots can absorb Immigrants and still stay mostly Social Democratically/ Left wing while the Attitudes in England are markedly different. . And it seems like the attitudes leading to the people choosing to move to UK feeling safer after brexit in Scotland than England http://archive.is/Ohp09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Brexit passes Parliament 498 to 115 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy Jim Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Toepoke said: Brexit passes Parliament 498 to 115 The day before the White Paper is given to parliament! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jaggy Jim said: The day before the White Paper is given to parliament! Utter nonsense. Now what's the point of any white paper now. What on earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antidote Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, flumax said: Utter nonsense. Now what's the point of any white paper now. What on earth The tories are producing a white paper, but I think it is along the lines of plan for leaving the eu. A hopeful wish list if you like. Anyone why the SNP member for Aberdeen south didn't vote? Edited February 1, 2017 by antidote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, antidote said: Anyone why the SNP member for Aberdeen south didn't vote? Would have paired off I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, antidote said: The tories are producing a white paper, but I think it is along the lines of plan for leaving the eu. A hopeful wish list if you like. Anyone why the SNP member for Aberdeen south didn't vote? Sorry wasn't saying utter nonsense about your statement... Meant utter nonsense of the process. Barmy. lets vote. what on? We'll find out tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 from the brexit white paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Laura Kuenssberg Verified account @bbclaurak Sources tell me Netanyahu, Israeli leader, will visit Theresa May on Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-daily-mail-political-editor-james-slack-appointment-a7557696.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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