Paulo2576 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Not anyone, but I think we're kidding ourselves on that the English born players in the team all supported Scotland as a kid and wanted England to lose. It's just our luck they weren't picked for England. It would appear the "c***ts" some people are referring to are just the ones England got first. It's a lot of racist pish. Im under no illusions about the allegiances of Matt Ritchie, James Morrison etc. I can't imagine Scott Brown or Steven Naismith choosing england if their granny was from Stoke though. Being scottish or english is not a race its a nationality. Jesus Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Not anyone, but I think we're kidding ourselves on that the English born players in the team all supported Scotland as a kid and wanted England to lose. It's just our luck they weren't picked for England. It would appear the "c***ts" some people are referring to are just the ones England got first. It's a lot of racist pish. you're all over the place. what has wanting England to lose got to do with anything? and the whole eligibility issue in regard to international football is inherently discriminatory but you are banging on about racism? jesus wept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 you're all over the place. what has wanting England to lose got to do with anything? and the whole eligibility issue in regard to international football is inherently discriminatory but you are banging on about racism? jesus wept. No, you can't read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 No, you can't read. So it's not "racist pish" then. Great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 So it's not "racist pish" then. Great. It's embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 A lot would, including a lot of Scots born players. I find that very hard to believe. Which Scottish born player can you think of who would represent England if they only qualified through their granny and Scotland wanted them? The only one I can think of ever is Dominic Matteo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I find that very hard to believe. Which Scottish born player can you think of who would represent England if they only qualified through their granny and Scotland wanted them? The only one I can think of ever is Dominic Matteo. Maybe not England, but we have lost plenty of scots to Ireland who had no desire to play for us..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo2576 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Maybe not England, but we have lost plenty of scots to Ireland who had no desire to play for us..... I wouldn't really class that as losing them if they didn't want to be scottish anyway - their loss. The comments about scots choosing to play for england over scotland just to play in a better team if they had the choice though is an horrific thought, not just for us but for the integrity on international football, but I suppose its already in evidence with Diego Costas switch to spain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 I find that very hard to believe. Which Scottish born player can you think of who would represent England if they only qualified through their granny and Scotland wanted them? The only one I can think of ever is Dominic Matteo. It's something of a hypothetical as there aren't really any players that fall into the category. However, given that players generally want to compete at the highest level, I'm sure they would see England as offering that. I'd say the players who were toying with the idea of playing for Team GB at the Olympics would have been tempted had it been possible. Souness said something to the effect of - If I'd been English, I would have had a lot more opportunities to play at the highest level. Players are completely different to fans in their attitude to football, if they weren't they would all only ever play for the team the supported as a kid, or at least they would never play for a rival. We know this isn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo2576 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) It's something of a hypothetical as there aren't really any players that fall into the category. However, given that players generally want to compete at the highest level, I'm sure they would see England as offering that. I'd say the players who were toying with the idea of playing for Team GB at the Olympics would have been tempted had it been possible. Souness said something to the effect of - If I'd been English, I would have had a lot more opportunities to play at the highest level. Players are completely different to fans in their attitude to football, if they weren't they would all only ever play for the team the supported as a kid, or at least they would never play for a rival. We know this isn't the case. I don't take that to mean that souness would've selected to play for england given the chance, he was merely stating a fact. Don't agree about players attitude to playing for their country either. I believe players only really want to play for the country they grew up supporting, however due to the rulings of football, when its clear that your country aren't going to cap you, you are able to use another country as a route into international football. This is demonstrated by players such as Ritchie, Morrison, Martin and potentially Scott Arfield as well as half the irish team over the years. Edited January 23, 2016 by Paulo2576 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Maybe not England, but we have lost plenty of scots to Ireland who had no desire to play for us..... Well, two. Or one, and one who was a bit neglected and chose to fck off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) Can we try and go three months without another "Ireland knicked oor players waaa waaa" session please guys ? Although they were before my time, considering the players we had available then Charlie Gallagher, Bernie Slaven and Owen Coyle were no loss to Scotland. Tommy Coyne is debatable. Houghton and McCarthy were both big losses but they have both suggested that had Scotland called first, they would have turned out for us. Don't think McGeady was ever going to play for us. As it happens though, Australia, Canada and the USA have had more Scottish born internationals in their teams than Ireland ever did. Falkirk born Johnny Moscardini won nine caps for Italy in the 1920s. Edited January 23, 2016 by ErsatzThistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Not anyone, but I think we're kidding ourselves on that the English born players in the team all supported Scotland as a kid and wanted England to lose. It's just our luck they weren't picked for England. It would appear the "c***ts" some people are referring to are just the ones England got first. It's a lot of racist pish. Racist? Behave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastiebeastie Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Unfortunately it's just the way these days. Caulker is English but may pick Scotland cos he ain't good enough for England Scott Arfield is Scottish but may pick Canada cos he ain't good enough for Scotland. If you don't like it stick to club fitba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Racist? Behave You rightly flag up bigotry, but are happy to endorse English-born players turning out for Scotland as "c##ts". Charming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 You rightly flag up bigotry, but are happy to endorse English-born players turning out for Scotland as "c##ts". Charming.That was not what he said. Can you read? A bit shit to be calling someone racist when that was not what they said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 That was not what he said. Can you read? A bit shit to be calling someone racist when that was not what they said. I didn't realise he was black, sorry for the confusion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 I didn't realise he was black, sorry for the confusion...I'll have some of what you're smoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Unfortunately it's just the way these days. Caulker is English but may pick Scotland cos he ain't good enough for England Scott Arfield is Scottish but may pick Canada cos he ain't good enough for Scotland. If you don't like it stick to club fitba. Getting close to doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 You rightly flag up bigotry, but are happy to endorse English-born players turning out for Scotland as "c##ts". Charming. Surely aren't as thick as you seem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Surely aren't as thick as you seem? Are you as unpleasant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Are you as unpleasant? Only when folk can't read and call me recist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noctonjock Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Any transfer gossip anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruskojock1314 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 mcormack in stands yesterday suppose to have flu but they reckon hes on his way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radian_13 Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 mcormack in stands yesterday suppose to have flu but they reckon hes on his way Aye think he will, if you have flu you aren't in a stand watching football, you're dying in your bed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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