Michelle Thomson - Edinburgh West Mp - Property Scandal

[phart]

The bullying spin being put on that now by several folk would make me want to jack moderating if I were them. It is out of order. In fact the bullying is running the other way it seems, a few folk trying to make something small into something big. The won't be happy until this places shuts shop.

So me and donny and tartanjon are trying to get the place shut down?

right my gran has an appointment at hospital to get her eye pressure checked again and see if she needs laser treatment so i have to go take her.

[TartanJon]

So me and donny and tartanjon are trying to get the place shut down?

right my gran has an appointment at hospital to get her eye pressure checked again and see if she needs laser treatment so i have to go take her.

All the best for granny.How cool would a granny with laser eyes be ?

[Orraloon]

Be interesting to see how folk react on here when the SNP start fracking. *whistles*

Whit's wrong with fracking?

[thplinth]

So me and donny and tartanjon are trying to get the place shut down?

right my gran has an appointment at hospital to get her eye pressure checked again and see if she needs laser treatment so i have to go take her.

No I don't think so. But some of the others I am not so sure about.

I mind when the mods changed the swear filter so the way ron used to type (c unt with a space i think) came out as 'farmer'. Seems to me some want to blow this out of all proportions and twist it into something nasty. Either that or the board has lost its collective sense of humour.

Should maybe post this on the TAMB is ####ed thread and just my impression but this board seems to be dying on it's arse a bit these days. The folk running it do it for free and have always been pretty decent over the years (with the exception of the deeply humourless but thankfully short lived mod18). I just don't see it at all (the charge of bullying).

I understand if you see it the other way, not saying you are wrong.

And to be honest I had not noticed Donny posting on it. What the hell is it that the mods are supposed to have done that makes it bullying, maybe I missed something.

Edited October 6, 2015 by thplinth

[Orraloon]

the buying and selling isn't the point of contention, it's the methods. So relating it to buying and selling is irrelevant. You're not understanding the debate if you think the process of just buying and selling stuff is the issue here.

I know I'm not understanding the debate but that's because the media wont tell me what she has supposed to have done wrong. They just put disgruntled folk on TV telling me that they are annoyed about the prices that their house was bought and sold for. I want them to tell me the full story but I'm starting to think that there might not be a story, otherwise they would have dug it up by now? Unless they are just trying to spin it out a bit before they really put the boot in.

[Orraloon]

Mind the "SNP position" on here when Jim Fairlie was giving financial advice during the economic meltdown. Certain board members and party affiliates were going in so hard on Fairlie for being wrong about something.

I tell you it's a fecking nuisance to remember so much

Was he into the "buy to let" market as well?

[thplinth]

Thplinth, Scunnered has asked me to let you know he's just incurred a 14 day suspension.

That is a bit harsh. I got a month once I think. I do wonder how they see my post moaning about my relative harsh treatment in minutes and yet can't see Scunnered posts for hours and hours. Poor old Uproar has committed Tamb suicide here so two weeks is not so bad.

[FuNsTeR]

I am totally bemused by this thread, with the name calling and threats of bullying ffs chill out

[Parklife]

I am totally bemused by this thread, with the name calling and threats of bullying ffs chill out

It's pretty predictable, to be honest.

- Some people call an SNP MP out for being immoral.

- SNP fanboys go in to blinkered, denial, cult mode.

- Scunnered calls someone a name

- An SNP fanboy, unable to understand or contribute to the debate, throws his toys out the pram

- Scunnered gets suspended

All pretty predictable. I'm sure it'll happen all over again on another thread soon.

[hampden_loon2878]

Spot on, from my stand point the left wing are tring to take over the snp when really IMO the snp control the centre ground, they have maybe leaned a bit left to capture disillusioned labour voters but long term the snp's future belongs in the centre ground with a sprinkling of left and right policies..... Its actually worrying seeing sheridan hijacking the yes campaign,,,

Loads of tory types in the SNP. Loads of leftie socialist types too. Plenty room for everybody. They need to appeal to a broad spectrum of the population.

Edited October 6, 2015 by hampden_loon2878

[Mee]

Spot on, from my stand point the left wing are tring to take over the snp when really IMO the snp control the centre ground, they have maybe leaned a bit left to capture disillusioned labour voters but long term the snp's future belongs in the centre ground with a sprinkling of left and right policies..... Its actually worrying seeing sheridan hijacking the yes campaign,,,

Nichola was leaning very left in the last campaign IMO. Was out with the greens and maybe further left than labour

[Dave78]

I think its sad that people don't think morality applies any longer with regard to business.

If someone is selling their house to a company for 20-30k less than it is worth on the market the company is taking advantage of the clients naivety or financial stress.

It may not be illegal and without doubt some shady folk will fill in that gap in the market but I expect more from a Member of Parliament for the SNP.

If the SNP have no morality to them then i will stop voting for them and i would not vote for any other party that thinks this kind of thing is acceptable.

There is a chasm between what is "legal" and what is "right".

Does anyone think this is acceptable and would they vote for this man? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34331761

I don't own a home either.

It's the difference between seeing someone struggle mightily and thinking wow they're in dire straits i bet i could get their home off them really cheap and not thinking it.

Aye, i get that these businesses rely on either distressed sellers, or sellers who just don't know the true value of what they're selling. But it's no different to webuyanycar.com, or even antique dealers who trawl car boot sales to snap up bargains.

I'm just trying to understand why it's apparently so much more immoral to trade in houses, than say antiques or cars?

[thplinth]

Personally I kave never given a feck about the SNP. Never read their manifesto ever not a single word. They were always just a vehicle for me to get us to the referendum. Now we are post that they are even more disinteresting to me. Same with Scottish / Uk politics, who cares. Won't see another vote for 10 years minimum in my view so I'll tune back into what the SNP are up if that ever becomes a real possibility again but for the years in between I could not care less. Even pre referendum I could not give a shit what they did as long as they did not derail the YES vote. It was a tiny tiny tiny consiollation that Labour got anhilated in Scotland post No but I have no idea what the SNP are going to do with all these meaningless seats and sitting on the wrong side of the refeferndum.

[Caledonian Craig]

Personally I kave never given a feck about the SNP. Never read their manifesto ever not a single word. They were always just a vehicle for me to get us to the referendum. Now we are post that they are even more disinteresting to me. Same with Scottish / Uk politics, who cares. Won't see another vote for 10 years minimum in my view so I'll tune back into what the SNP are up if that ever becomes a real possibility again but for the years in between I could not care less. Even pre referendum I could not give a shit what they did as long as they did not derail the YES vote. It was a tiny tiny tiny consiollation that Labour got anhilated in Scotland post No but I have no idea what the SNP are going to do with all these meaningless seats and sitting on the wrong side of the refeferndum.

I get most of that and I'd say plenty are in the same frame of mind as yourself. However, for the sake of any future referendum to get the YES vote it needs the SNP to formulate much better and iron-clad vision and plans for an independent Scotland so that should interest you. If the SNP can't put together a stronger case next time around on the currency we would use and economics, health service etc it will be another lost cause.

However, if we think about it, what they say they will put in place is not really relevant. I say this because once the SNP gain independence it is said the SNP would be disbanded as their chief goal would have been obtained - Salmond said it and Sturgeon has said it as well. That being the case another party would be shaping the country after the first election in an independent Scotland. People need to realise if they want an independent Scotland only the SNP will make that happen. Once they achieve that then people should vote for who they feel has the best vision for an independent Scotland.

[euan2020]

Self cert yes, 95% BTL, I don't think so.

dont think so, based on what ?

I

[Orraloon]

I don't own a home either.

It's the difference between seeing someone struggle mightily and thinking wow they're in dire straits i bet i could get their home off them really cheap and not thinking it.

Aye, that's one way to look at it. Another way would be - We've been trying to sell this house for ages and nobody is even interested in viewing it, never mind putting in an offer. Here is a company offering 30K more than we paid for it and a quick sale. It's not as much as we had hoped for but it's better than nothing, and nothing is exactly what we've been offered so far. Let's take the deal and move on with our lives.

Surveyors put a value on a property when it is put up for sale but that is just their best guess. It's worth nothing until somebody is prepared to offer some money for it. That is then the value of it. If the seller thinks it has more value to them, then they just don't sell.

I am more interested in the fact it was resold the same day (maybe) to near enough the same people (it would appear?) for another 24K. To me that is the bit the media should be interested in. But for some reason they don't seem to be.

[aaid]

I get most of that and I'd say plenty are in the same frame of mind as yourself. However, for the sake of any future referendum to get the YES vote it needs the SNP to formulate much better and iron-clad vision and plans for an independent Scotland so that should interest you. If the SNP can't put together a stronger case next time around on the currency we would use and economics, health service etc it will be another lost cause.

However, if we think about it, what they say they will put in place is not really relevant. I say this because once the SNP gain independence it is said the SNP would be disbanded as their chief goal would have been obtained - Salmond said it and Sturgeon has said it as well. That being the case another party would be shaping the country after the first election in an independent Scotland. People need to realise if they want an independent Scotland only the SNP will make that happen. Once they achieve that then people should vote for who they feel has the best vision for an independent Scotland.

I doubt they SNP would be disbanded immediately, although once Independence was achieved I'd have no doubt there would be a lot of people moving to other parties that suit their political views.

Personally I think that Scottish Labour and the Liberals would also disappear over time. In a multiparty state, I could see there being a right of centre party which would essentially be the Tories, right leaning SNP and some Liberal and Labour types.

A centre left party comprising the bulk of what is now the SNP and Scottish Labour and left leaning liberals - which would probably be the "natural" party of government.

A left wing party - or given the inevitable internecine division that happens on the left - several parties, comprising of the left wing of the SNP, the left wing of the Labour party, RIC, SSP, Solidarity, etc.

The greens would probably be as they currently are but I guess would depend on the environmental policies of the left.

The main barrier to this would be the enmity at a personal and party level as a result of the independence campaigns which might make it difficult for people to work with each other and may need to wait until the next generation of politicians.

That said, you could quite easily see a situation where you had post-independence "government of national unity" headed up by Nicola Sturgeon with Kezia Dugdale as Deputy FM.

[euan2020]

Aye, that's one way to look at it. Another way would be - We've been trying to sell this house for ages and nobody is even interested in viewing it, never mind putting in an offer. Here is a company offering 30K more than we paid for it and a quick sale. It's not as much as we had hoped for but it's better than nothing, and nothing is exactly what we've been offered so far. Let's take the deal and move on with our lives.

Surveyors put a value on a property when it is put up for sale but that is just their best guess. It's worth nothing until somebody is prepared to offer some money for it. That is then the value of it. If the seller thinks it has more value to them, then they just don't sell.

I am more interested in the fact it was resold the same day (maybe) to near enough the same people (it would appear?) for another 24K. To me that is the bit the media should be interested in. But for some reason they don't seem to be.

I reckon that is - resale at valuation - get the house into the business, and then you can off sett the costs of the mortgage and associated costs against tax - tax planning/avoidance - they maximised the mortgage and associated interest, to save tax , and be able to take capital back out for other projects ( just my opinion like )

[mariokempes56]

So why was "scunnered" suspended ?

[deecie]

So why was "scunnered" suspended ?

He was going against the party line.

[mariokempes56]

Hell, hes been doing that for months.

[Parklife]

So why was "scunnered" suspended ?

He called someone a "horrible ".

While the person is undoubtedly a drama queen and a tory, i am unsure whether they actually are a "horrible ".

[Orraloon]

So why was "scunnered" suspended ?

Not sure but I can almost guarantee it was the fault of the SNP. Bad, bad SNP.

[Parklife]

Not sure but I can almost guarantee it was the fault of the SNP. Bad, bad SNP.

That's the kind of pishy, strawman argument post UPROAR would make.

[Orraloon]

He called someone a "horrible ".

While the person is undoubtedly a drama queen and a tory, i am unsure whether they actually are a "horrible ".

I'm no sure what's worse, being called a "horrible " or being called a "tory". I think we need a league table of insults. Just so we know where we stand.