Tomorrows Leter From Retailers

[johnnie x]

Ian Cheshire who is leading this is an advisor to David Cameron. Knighted by his pal Dave at Christmas time.

Get it out there and debunked before the shit storm happens tomorrow.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/30/karren-brady-honours-2013_n_4518309.html

Calling in favours from his pals.

[Micky]

_{John Lewis chairman - Sir Charlie Mayfield - knighted birthday honours 2013}

_{Not a retailer but:}

_{Standard Life Chairman - Sir Gerry Grimstone - knighted 3 months ago.}

_{Is this the type of country we want to live in?}

[antidote]

Called asda this morning (John Lewis yesterday) and told them I'll never buy any of their products again.

Everyone should do the same.

Tel. 08009520101

[the_fadiator]

Surely the campaign pre empt this en masse in social media by highlighting to B&Q etc. they're about to lose a lot of customers, as shown by the reaction to ASDA...

[Maq]

Have ASDA given permission for Jola and her bitters to hold a press conference outside their Falkirk store?

If I was the manager there I wouldn't be too happy, pisssing off 50% of your customers!

[Redz]

Have ASDA given permission for Jola and her bitters to hold a press conference outside their Falkirk store?

If I was the manager there I wouldn't be too happy, pisssing off 50% of your customers!

Don't think ASDA own the site.

[Duncan Blackheart]

There's no B&Q in Scotland....

[mcsheep]

Have ASDA given permission for Jola and her bitters to hold a press conference outside their Falkirk store?

If I was the manager there I wouldn't be too happy, pisssing off 50% of your customers!

Thought about heading to the Asda in Dunfermline with a Yes sign and a Tesco sign with an arrow!!

[Tartan Eagle]

There's no B&Q in Scotland....

No GIRFU or Y either

[giblet]

What letter? they putting something out? would have thought today would have been better. Saturday will have minimal impact.

[teecee-]

New top man at Tesco, I would imagine more interested in market share decline than

alienating Scottish shoppers and workers.

[Guest Extreme0]

There's no B&Q in Scotland....

I hope so. it would make Homebase have a wonderful time being the prime retailer for DYI related stuff.

[Ex-Whitfield]

Another one

http://news.sky.com/story/1334701/telecoms-giants-in-talks-on-independence-vote

[the_fadiator]

Really annoying. They should get a pre-emptive warning about loss of customers.

[Flure]

Another one

http://news.sky.com/story/1334701/telecoms-giants-in-talks-on-independence-vote

"Sky News has learnt that BT, EE, O2, TalkTalk and Vodafone are in talks about a joint statement that would refer to "the inevitability of cost increases" for operators as a consequence of uncertainties over regulation and the currency that Scotland would use."

If these things are "uncertain", why are price rises "inevitable"?

[kumnio]

Supermarkets can GTF, Telecommunications can GTF, Banks can GTF

Anyone who believes that these companies would actively raise prices purely because we are independent is a idiot. Competition would still happen in Scotland, people would still chose the best value.

Vodaphone especially should be told to ram it, they stole tens of millions in the form of tax evasion, Cameron should be screwing these companies instead of cuddling up to them.

Ive had enough of the scare stories, come out and say something in black and white, instead of hiding behind hyperbole you two faced lying pr-cks.

Edited September 12, 2014 by kumnio

[DYLANGT7]

God this thread is so depressingly reactionary and petty. Is their anything the YES campaign arent boycotting that holds an opposing opinion to them.

Are you all so deluded you think these big companies give a Sh*t about politics - all they care about is profit and squeezing every penny out of their business model and customers.

(Not that i support anyone using the old boys network to get honours)

They've all been too scared to say it and were hoping they wouldnt have to but with the polls being so close now they have no choice. Independence will hit these companies bottom lines that is a fact.

How much it will impact, no-one can say and will largely depend on the Corporation Tax set in a independant Scotland and on businnss rates for the supermarkets etc.

I've seen some of their costs studies. The simple fact of dealing with 2 governments in differing regulatory environments, different tax regimes etc has an additional costs for the multi nationals

thats more significant than you think. Moving a Brass plaque, while has no direct job implications, is one of the biggest financial decions an organisation can make.(just ask Luxembourg, Switzerland, Ireland etc)

Yes all Global companies already operate accross many borders and absorb that cost, but the point being missed is in this instance they have a choice or say in whether they do it this time.

They would simpy be being negligent in their duty of care to their shareholders if they didnt admit there will be higher costs (and yes no one can say these will be passed on the the end scottish consumer yet) - but they are a fact.

none of this is intented as an arguement against voting YES, its just a resposne to the small minded childishness of boycotting ASDA etc. Do you not think these companies have not done the analysis and comparison ? You really think they are putting there name to these letters becuase one of the board happens to know Cameron?

Edited September 12, 2014 by DYLANGT7

[ShedTA]

God this thread is so depressingly reactionary and petty. Is their anything the YES campaign arent boycotting that holds an opposing opinion to them.

Are you all so deluded you think these big companies give a Sh*t about politics - all they care about is profit and squeezing every penny out of their business model and customers.

(Not that i support anyone using the old boys network to get honours)

They've all been too scared to say it and were hoping they wouldnt have to but with the polls being so close now they have no choice. Independence will hit these companies bottom lines that is a fact.

How much it will impact, no-one can say and will largely depend on the Corporation Tax set in a independant Scotland and on businnss rates for the supermarkets etc.

I've seen some of their costs studies. The simple fact of dealing with 2 governments in differing regulatory environments, different tax regimes etc has an additional costs for the multi nationals

thats more significant than you think. Moving a Brass plaque, while has no direct job implications, is one of the biggest financial decions an organisation can make.(just ask Luxembourg, Switzerland, Ireland etc)

Yes all Global companies already operate accross many borders and absorb that cost, but the point being missed is in this instance they have a choice or say in whether they do it this time.

They would simpy be being negligent in their duty of care to their shareholders if they didnt admit there will be higher costs (and yes no one can say these will be passed on the the end scottish consumer yet) - but they are a fact.

none of this is intented as an arguement against voting YES, its just a resposne to the small minded childishness of boycotting ASDA etc. Do you not think these companies have not done the analysis and comparison ? You really think they are putting there name to these letters becuase one of the board happens to know Cameron?

You totally miss it all. the reaction is not to their point of view, it is to them expressing it as told to by david cameron. And before you deny that - robert peston confirmed it yesterday on twitter. the timing of all these announcements stink of politics and if you cant see that then there is not much hope for you.

and varying corporation tax? the snp have said they would lower that so how would that add to increased costs einstein?

oh and increased costs in an independent scotland cos its a different country? give me strength. Aldi and lidl are two of the cheapest supermarkets and they operate out of a completely foreign country.

before you start calling people deluded, erm, take a breath and think.

[DYLANGT7]

Ive had enough of the scare stories, come out and say something in black and white, instead of hiding behind hyperbole you two faced lying pr-cks.

The only black and white the corporate studies show at the moment is their will be additional Aministrative costs dealing with 2 sets of red tape, 2 sets of financial rules & regs, 2 sets of tax compliance, 2 sets of HSSE compliance, 2 Payrolls etc - whereas for now they only have one. Thats the main additional costs to the Blue chips (that is known)

The reason they are unable to costs anything else is because the rest is one big complete unknown - no one can say if they deal with 2 currencies, whether we will be in out out of scope for EU regulations and compliance, no one knowns what the Corp Tax will be, what the Income tax or Business rates will be.....its big blank page and thats not the fault of Business.

the politicians are unable to provide black and white and you are putting your trust in them....and we all know they all been proved to be two faced lying pr-cks, to coin a phrase..

Again i re-iterate none of this is an arguement against YES, its just some YES voters need to get a bit of perspective and live in the real world.

An independant scotland will still have corrupt self centred politicians, greedy corporations and a whole host of other issues.

[Hessen]

I believe the reason people are boycotting or frustrated is because they see it as a conspiracy orchestrated by the UK Govt, and the way it has been reported has been disingenuous with the truth. It was an almost fair fight before the Westminster establishment brought it's full force to bear. This referendum is supposed to be about the people deciding having been given the full facts and having time to decide. Unleashing all these scare stories with one week to go is deceitful.

There may be extra costs dealing with a new country, but Tesco manages quite easily having stores all over Europe, as does Aldi and Lidl, and their prices reflect what customers in the respective countries can pay. If they cared about their shareholders they could have come out with this much earlier and asked them to vote on what their policy should be towards the vote. This smacks of the bosses returning favours to Westminster without consultation....in my opinion.

[dave]

Called asda this morning (John Lewis yesterday) and told them I'll never buy any of their products again.

Everyone should do the same.

Tel. 08009520101

I really don't think they'd give a toss to be honest. Sorry to be blunt!

[Redz]

God this thread is so depressingly reactionary and petty. Is their anything the YES campaign arent boycotting that holds an opposing opinion to them.

Are you all so deluded you think these big companies give a Sh*t about politics - all they care about is profit and squeezing every penny out of their business model and customers.

(Not that i support anyone using the old boys network to get honours)

They've all been too scared to say it and were hoping they wouldnt have to but with the polls being so close now they have no choice. Independence will hit these companies bottom lines that is a fact.

How much it will impact, no-one can say and will largely depend on the Corporation Tax set in a independant Scotland and on businnss rates for the supermarkets etc.

I've seen some of their costs studies. The simple fact of dealing with 2 governments in differing regulatory environments, different tax regimes etc has an additional costs for the multi nationals

thats more significant than you think. Moving a Brass plaque, while has no direct job implications, is one of the biggest financial decions an organisation can make.(just ask Luxembourg, Switzerland, Ireland etc)

Yes all Global companies already operate accross many borders and absorb that cost, but the point being missed is in this instance they have a choice or say in whether they do it this time.

They would simpy be being negligent in their duty of care to their shareholders if they didnt admit there will be higher costs (and yes no one can say these will be passed on the the end scottish consumer yet) - but they are a fact.

none of this is intented as an arguement against voting YES, its just a resposne to the small minded childishness of boycotting ASDA etc. Do you not think these companies have not done the analysis and comparison ? You really think they are putting there name to these letters becuase one of the board happens to know Cameron?

Given they are 'encouraged' to do so suggests that its dirty tricks.

If there was a real threat to their business they wouldn't need any 'encouragement' to speak out.

Volume is always built into NOP (Make more cash at a reduced margin) and adding costs will see customers walk.

If something smells of shyte it usually is.

[mariokempes56]

none of this is intented as an arguement against voting YES, its just a resposne to the small minded childishness of boycotting ASDA etc. Do you not think these companies have not done the analysis and comparison ? You really think they are putting there name to these letters becuase one of the board happens to know Cameron?

Yes.

And if really think its childish to boycott you are insane.

[Redz]

Asda is owned by Walmart - They will do what Walmart tell them with EDLP in mind.

If the prices in the rUK shops are lower Asda's Scottish customers will be wowed elsewhere.

They're exiting a turbulent period of restructure with no guarantees, and now this, Andy Clarke needs his head examined.

[Hessen]

Who's to say that all t

The only black and white the corporate studies show at the moment is their will be additional Aministrative costs dealing with 2 sets of red tape, 2 sets of financial rules & regs, 2 sets of tax compliance, 2 sets of HSSE compliance, 2 Payrolls etc - whereas for now they only have one. Thats the main additional costs to the Blue chips (that is known)

The reason they are unable to costs anything else is because the rest is one big complete unknown - no one can say if they deal with 2 currencies, whether we will be in out out of scope for EU regulations and compliance, no one knowns what the Corp Tax will be, what the Income tax or Business rates will be.....its big blank page and thats not the fault of Business.

the politicians are unable to provide black and white and you are putting your trust in them....and we all know they all been proved to be two faced lying pr-cks, to coin a phrase..

Again i re-iterate none of this is an arguement against YES, its just some YES voters need to get a bit of perspective and live in the real world.

An independant scotland will still have corrupt self centred politicians, greedy corporations and a whole host of other issues.

Who's to say that all the costs that you list wont be cheaper in Scotland than the UK? I am enjoying hearing another side to the argument, but at this late stage, and because of the NO's disgraceful tactics, I say boycott them all. They want to stop us having our independence, they are now the enemy.