Ally Bongo Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I am sticking with my prediction of a Tory win (maybe needing the yellow Tories to help push them over the line). It looks like the Tories are winning the key marginals down south. And that's not opinion polls telling us that, it's real votes. https://archive.is/2uETy If Labour do hold half their Scottish seats it would be unbearable Probably the over 65s that secured a no vote are the same that save Labour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 I'd take 30 seats for the SNP right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 £25 an hour for labour leafleting . snp free , voluntary. Seriously? Haven't seen many of either out and about but I have been nightshift and sleeping all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuNsTeR Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) If the tories win but SNP win big in Scotland I can't see the union surviving either way it would a Red or Blue Tory government both are as bad as each other in government ... hoping for the end result that would be good a grand coalition would kill the union even faster Edited May 4, 2015 by FuNsTeR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I think folk have missed the libdem tactics out , or think they are an irrelevance . if ed joins with the libs he has more than the tory seats and doesn't need snp votes , therefore saving the union ,and i can't see cameron taking sides with Uprick . But you never know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I think folk have missed the libdem tactics out , or think they are an irrelevance . if ed joins with the libs he has more than the tory seats and doesn't need snp votes , therefore saving the union ,and i can't see cameron taking sides with Uprick . But you never know! Labour and lib dem projected seats fall a good bit short of a majority. So would be no use to labour. They would most likely need the support of a large group of SNP mp's either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 On another note I had a dream last night where the SNP won 52 seats so panic over. And yes I do have some mental dreams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Labour and lib dem projected seats fall a good bit short of a majority. So would be no use to labour. They would most likely need the support of a large group of SNP mp's either way. Ed didn't just rule out a deal with the SNP, he ruled out a deal with ANYONE! They were discussing it on R4 yesterday morning. It's almost like he doesn't want to be PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 And anyway, this election has nothing to do with independence... It's not on the manifesto. Unless you listen to Natalie McGarry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Unless you listen to Natalie McGarry Was it not the young lassie standing against Dougie Alexander. She said it was a stepping stone and she's right. This election might not be about independence directly but of course the SNP doing well here is a step towards it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Was it not the young lassie standing against Dougie Alexander. She said it was a stepping stone and she's right. This election might not be about independence directly but of course the SNP doing well here is a step towards it. In what way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Maybe getting powers to have ffa ? , that would be a start ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) In what way? Well even though it shouldn't be the case support for independence and support for the SNP are closely linked. That is why you have these unionists and the #snpout nonsense, tactical voting pages etc. If it wasn't then they wouldn't care how many seats the SNP won. If support for the SNP had collapsed to say 20% and they won no seats that would be seen as a killer blow for future independence. This keeps it at the forefront if the main independence supporting party is winning a majority of votes and seats. For independence to happen we need an SNP majority, or majority of independence supporting MSP's in the future. This is a very good platform for that. It also gives the party and in turn independence more credability. It perhaps shouldn't be the case but for many it is. In the Yes shop in Inverness on Sat we had someone come in who voted no but now regrets it so said he is voting for the SNP for the first time ever becasue he now supports independence. Obviously we need a couple of hundred thousand people like him but it's a start. Also the SNP will do what they can to secure more powers for Scotland which might help relieve some doubt in some of our capability to govern ourselves. It helps legitimise it and maybe show that it wouldn't be all fire and destruction if we had these powers. #KatyClarkOut Edited May 4, 2015 by iainmac1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) . Edited May 4, 2015 by iainmac1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Maybe getting powers to have ffa ? , that would be a start ! That could be as equally counter productive against full independence than it is to support the idea. Well even though it shouldn't be the case support for independence and support for the SNP are closely linked. That is why you have these unionists and the #snpout nonsense, tactical voting pages etc. If it wasn't then they wouldn't care how many seats the SNP won. If support for the SNP had collapsed to say 20% and they won no seats that would be seen as a killer blow for future independence. This keeps it at the forefront if the main independence supporting party is winning a majority of votes and seats. For independence to happen we need an SNP majority, or majority of independence supporting MSP's in the future. This is a very good platform for that. It also gives the party and in turn independence more credability. It perhaps shouldn't be the case but for many it is. In the Yes shop in Inverness on Sat we had someone come in who voted no but now regrets it so said he is voting for the SNP for the first time ever becasue he now supports independence. Obviously we need a couple of hundred thousand people like him but it's a start. Also the SNP will do what they can to secure more powers for Scotland which might help relieve some doubt in some of our capability to govern ourselves. It helps legitimise it and maybe show that it wouldn't be all fire and destruction if we had these powers. I can see sense in what you're saying. Obviously there are powers I don't want an SNP government getting their hands on, and others I wouldn't mind seeing in Holyrood, but it's not overly important for me just now. Holyrood 2016 is the more important election personally, I want to see a contingent of SLP and TUSC elected to show that progressive policy is electable in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peever1745 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 As I detest Labour I would rather see Cameron in #10.The more he hurts Scotland the more chance we have in ref #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 As I detest Labour I would rather see Cameron in #10.The more he hurts Scotland the more chance we have in ref #2. ... Well you're a Tory so that's not surprising. I'd like to think that's not a view shared by the majority of independence supporters, but I fear I'm mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Was it not the young lassie standing against Dougie Alexander. She said it was a stepping stone and she's right. This election might not be about independence directly but of course the SNP doing well here is a step towards it. McGarry said it when interviewed with Curran last week in Tollcross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I want to see a contingent of SLP and TUSC elected to show that progressive policy is electable in Scotland. I'm probably being dense, but.... who are SLP?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 McGarry said it when interviewed with Curran last week in Tollcross She's had a little Tory in her as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'm probably being dense, but.... who are SLP?! Scottish Labour Party... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgowmancity Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 She's had a little Tory in her as well. Apparently so, pity it hasn't rubbed off on her (so to speak) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Scottish Labour Party... Ok, I wasn't being dense! When are they getting formed, and who will be standing for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Back in the 1980s I wrote a thesis on the Scottish Labour Party, an organisation that hasn't existed for about 30 years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) Whoops! Edited May 4, 2015 by Pool Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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