Scotty CTA Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I'm an atheist who'd quite happily ban the thing (religion). I wouldn't ban atheism. I believe in (and accept) the consequences and rewards of freewill choices. I often find that the battering a lot of folk take on here from Aberdeen fans borders on bullying at times. Hopefully the battering this Aberdeen fan receives evens things out a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I wouldn't ban atheism. I believe in (and accept) the consequences and rewards of freewill choices. Hopefully the battering this Aberdeen fan receives evens things out a bit. You can't ban not believing in something. Just not possible. You don't take a battering for being a Don, it's your beliefs that generally get you into heated discussions. ? I quite enjoy them to be fair. A good debate does you good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 You can't ban not believing in something. I said 'I wouldn't', but you mean that it's not possible anyway? Correct? The Bible tells of the coming Tribulation period where a global population will either worship 'the beast' or suffer a martyr's death. (I guess you'll just have to wait and see.) Where's the rest of it? What happens next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 Where's the rest of it? What happens next? Maybe that's where it should stop Scotty ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted March 8, 2015 Share Posted March 8, 2015 I said 'I wouldn't', but you mean that it's not possible anyway? Correct? The Bible tells of the coming Tribulation period where a global population will either worship 'the beast' or suffer a martyr's death. (I guess you'll just have to wait and see.) Where's the rest of it? What happens next? Making a semantic point. You can't ban not believing, you can only make it compulsory to believe. I got you weren't dictating. That quite simply doesn't work for religion. Something the IS and other extremists will hopefully learn quickly.You can lead a horse to water but people will want a beer! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Maybe that's where it should stop Scotty ? In person, yeah, but no one is making anyone read my posts in this format. (They're actually very avoidable.) Making a semantic point. OK, but atheism is still a faith-based belief system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted March 9, 2015 Author Share Posted March 9, 2015 Making a semantic point. You can't ban not believing, you can only make it compulsory to believe. I got you weren't dictating. That quite simply doesn't work for religion. Something the IS and other extremists will hopefully learn quickly. You can lead a horse to water but people will want a beer! ...but, but, you are the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I'm confused. Is this an 11 page thread because somebody has stopped posting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I'm confused. Is this an 11 page thread because somebody has stopped posting? It is. We've not had a eulogy thread for a while.....can't remember who the last one was for. But R.I.P. anyway, my condolences to the family etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goozay Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I'm confused. Is this an 11 page thread because somebody has stopped posting? Pretty much, although its gone down a few interesting cul-de-sacs including religion and social media in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 In person, yeah, but no one is making anyone read my posts in this format. (They're actually very avoidable.) OK, but atheism is still a faith-based belief system. Not sure if agree. There's no belief. It's a science based factual system. You can't prove that something doesn't exist. You can only fail to find it or recreate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Not sure if agree. There's no belief. It's a science based factual system. You can't prove that something doesn't exist. You can only fail to find it or recreate it. Atheism is "a science based factual system"? No it's not. You've just gone on to say that you can't prove the non-existence of God, therefore the question of Her existence or non-existence lies outside scientific discourse. Atheism has to be based on faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtscotland Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 ............................ OK, but atheism is still a faith-based belief system. What nonsense you "preach" Everyone is born an atheist. Not a single person is born a "believer". Religion / "faith" is a result of human intervention and fostered from childhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 What nonsense you "preach" Everyone is born an atheist. Not a single person is born a "believer". Religion / "faith" is a result of human intervention and fostered from childhood. Nope, everyone is born with no view either way (and without the capacity to have a view anyway). Atheism, like theism, is acquired; and since neither position is subject to scientific proof, both are forms of faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Nope, everyone is born with no view either way (and without the capacity to have a view anyway). Atheism, like theism, is acquired; and since neither position is subject to scientific proof, both are forms of faith. I agree As an aside the question popped into my mind is there a qualitative difference in belief versus disbelief. Is it more rational to believe in a god or more rational to disbelieve in a god, as a concept without the various creation stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Young Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 What nonsense you "preach" Everyone is born an atheist. Not a single person is born a "believer". Religion / "faith" is a result of human intervention and fostered from childhood. I'm not religious in anyway shape or form, but that's rubbish mate. Being an atheist is a choice someone makes, based on opinions they have formed over a period of time. How can you be born with a belief? If you can explain that, I'll possibly try and agree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) I agree As an aside the question popped into my mind is there a qualitative difference in belief versus disbelief. Is it more rational to believe in a god or more rational to disbelieve in a god, as a concept without the various creation stories. Therein lies a fair chunk of the history of philosophy, I suspect. Rationality isn't immutable through time though. Pre-Enlightenment (indeed probably into the 19th century), the rational argument for most people was for belief; today it would be the other way. Too many variables as well - we'd need to define what we mean by 'god' for a start. And all because ek_celt hasn't posted for a few days ... (he was logged on earlier, I noticed). Edited March 9, 2015 by DonnyTJS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Atheism is "a science based factual system"? No it's not. You've just gone on to say that you can't prove the non-existence of God, therefore the question of Her existence or non-existence lies outside scientific discourse. Atheism has to be based on faith. Science can never prove that something doesn't exist. You can only put forward your theory based on the evidence and provable facts. If you can't detect a Higgs Boson you need to supply other evidence of its existence or work on better measurement tools.So, I can't prove God doesn't exist and Scotty can't prove he does. The evidence supports my theory over his, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 What nonsense you "preach" Everyone is born an atheist. Not a single person is born a "believer". Religion / "faith" is a result of human intervention and fostered from childhood. Technically we're all born agnostic (not sure if there's a special word for blissfully ignorant) I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtscotland Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I'm not religious in anyway shape or form, but that's rubbish mate. Being an atheist is a choice someone makes, based on opinions they have formed over a period of time. How can you be born with a belief? If you can explain that, I'll possibly try and agree with you No you are the one talking nonsense. No-one on this planet is borne believing in God. No-one in this planet is born with faith. This means you are effectively born atheist i.e. you are born without a belief in God. What you and others are confusing is when it is said people "become" atheist. You think that this means it is an acquired belief. It is not. It is simply rejecting the teaching and influence of others preaching faith and religion. Religion is an acquired belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 No you are the one talking nonsense. No-one on this planet is borne believing in God. No-one in this planet is born with faith. This means you are effectively born atheist i.e. you are born without a belief in God. What you and others are confusing is when it is said people "become" atheist. You think that this means it is an acquired belief. It is not. It is simply rejecting the teaching and influence of others preaching faith and religion. Religion is an acquired belief. I agree with most of this but you're not born an atheist. It's a conscious choice.You're born ignorant of the concept of God. You know nothing of it until the state and schools attempt to brain wash you with your parents assistance. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Hoopy will be feckin pissed at this. God has taken over his thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Hoopy will be feckin pissed at this. God has taken over his thread. No he bloody hasn't! He doesn't feckin exist. Haven't you been reading my posts!??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Technically we're all born agnostic (not sure if there's a special word for blissfully ignorant) I think. Yup - 'a-' without 'gnosos' knowledge. Hence 'agnostic'. Jean-Paul Satre wrote something about his grandmother that sums up my view on the matter: "She believed in nothing. Only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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