Cove_Sheep Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Every football fan the world over has a gripe at refereeing decisions. I don't think it's right though for an ex-player who's never refereed a game in his life to launch such a personal attack on an official who has no right of reply. It's a cheap, cheap shot. His rant about the standard in Scotland suggests he hasn't seen much of, for example, the full-time professional officials south of the border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Sounds like over confidence might be Aberdeen's undoing. Source? Scotty Ah, the joys of selective quoting. Let me do it like this then... I know that Well will feel that they have to restore some pride, and that any Premiership match can be a potential banana skin, but the over-riding factor going into this fixture has to be Aberdeen's recent form. We've won the last 6 League games in a row (all by clean sheets). (9 of our last 11 games have been clean sheets.) We have speed, creativity, height, experience, confidence, youth, hunger, professionalism, etc. What we don't have is depth of squad, but Aberdeen are very close to putting it all together otherwise. (Someone is due to be on the end of a thrashing, but I'd take 0-1 in a second.) Not sure when we'll start converting a lot more of the chances we're creating, but get the feeling that the floodgates could open up soon. I think that you were the one who read my (2) posts selectively, Adam, and never saw how fair and balanced they really were. (What did I say that was inaccurate?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Collum is a dreadful, dreadful referee though. There is no doubting that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Collum is a dreadful, dreadful referee though. There is no doubting that fact. About 5 years ago I'd have agreed with you....too much 'by the book'refereeing and promoted too early. In the last few years though he's got much better. I don't think a few controversial decisions in the last few weeks makes him a bad referee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 About 5 years ago I'd have agreed with you....too much 'by the book'refereeing and promoted too early. In the last few years though he's got much better. I don't think a few controversial decisions in the last few weeks makes him a bad referee. For me he suffered a bit from the mass exodus of the experienced guys over the space of a couple of seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'm with Rossy! We are all Willie Collum! Motherwell were better than we have been recently, Aberdeen were the better team, and had they taken their chances, should've won comfortably! The penalty killed any chance of a comeback. Wasn't a penalty for me, Mcmanus knew nothing about it, and I'm not even sure it hit his hand anyway? From a motherwell point of view, while disappointed with the result, there was at least signs of a reaction to the embarrassment at NDP. An increase in work rate and effort and an improved attitude as well as some fresh faces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'm with Rossy! We are all Willie Collum! Motherwell were better than we have been recently, Aberdeen were the better team, and had they taken their chances, should've won comfortably! The penalty killed any chance of a comeback. Wasn't a penalty for me, Mcmanus knew nothing about it, and I'm not even sure it hit his hand anyway? From a motherwell point of view, while disappointed with the result, there was at least signs of a reaction to the embarrassment at NDP. An increase in work rate and effort and an improved attitude as well as some fresh faces. I could see why Hamilton took five off you! If that's you improving you must have been proper Tom Kite because you were barely above rotten today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Watching Sportscene there, Motherwell are appealing against the red card. Michael Stewart saying they're quite right to do so as it was never a sending off even though it was probably a penalty. Surely it can't be anything other than a red card? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Let me do it like this then... I think that you were the one who read my (2) posts selectively, Adam, and never saw how fair and balanced they really were. (What did I say that was inaccurate?) Well, there's another three points on the board anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenAngus Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Watching Sportscene there, Motherwell are appealing against the red card. Michael Stewart saying they're quite right to do so as it was never a sending off even though it was probably a penalty. Surely it can't be anything other than a red card? That's my thinking too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Watching Sportscene there, Motherwell are appealing against the red card. Michael Stewart saying they're quite right to do so as it was never a sending off even though it was probably a penalty. Surely it can't be anything other than a red card? It's either a penalty AND a sending off. Or neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 It's either a penalty AND a sending off. Or neither. The only way it wouldn't be a red card is if the ball wasn't going in. I think it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The only way it wouldn't be a red card is if the ball wasn't going in. I think it was. Or going to someone who basically had a tap in. This situation is not like the one in England where the ball was going wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Or going to someone who basically had a tap in. This situation is not like the one in England where the ball was going wide. Indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The only way it wouldn't be a red card is if the ball wasn't going in. I think it was. Nah wide.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest faircity Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Though I don't mind Motherwell, nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing Lasley end his career with relegation. Horrible man and a horrible footballer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Just seen the penalty infraction... IMHO, no foul, no penalty, no card of any kind. Just play on. Corner kick (or whatever). The ball hit his right forearm which was in front of his chest. A harsh call that fortunately didn't effect the outcome. (Hope he wins the appeal.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flynnyboy Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) Just seen the penalty infraction... IMHO, no foul, no penalty, no card of any kind. Just play on. Corner kick (or whatever). The ball hit his right forearm which was in front of his chest. A harsh call that fortunately didn't effect the outcome. (Hope he wins the appeal.) Just seen the highlights. Totally agree. He has brought his arms in across his body. It hits his hand but in no way intentional or in this "unnatural position" fifa have introduced. Should be back to the old was it intentional rule, as is still in the written laws of the game.That said, aberdeen were mighty impressive. Watched the first 45 live and they created chance after chance. It was a very dominant display, the like you would expect of celtic and in times gone by Rangers. Seen a couple of stats about aberdeen's run being the best of any team in Europe currently. A good left back and a good centre half (albeit Reynolds and Taylor are playing well) and maybes a better defensive midfielder would make them a formidable side, in scottish terms. See no reason why they can't see their challenge out to the end. As a scottish football fan I certainly hope so. Edited January 5, 2015 by flynnyboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Any highlights of the game ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtag Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Having read most of the comments here I was curious to see the incident. Now I have its a stonewall penalty. He moves his hand from his hip up to his chest to block the ball (probably a reflex reaction to protect himself ) I do however feel that a red card is very harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassrubber Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Have the bookies started paying out on Aberdeen for the league yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Having read most of the comments here I was curious to see the incident. Now I have its a stonewall penalty. He moves his hand from his hip up to his chest to block the ball (probably a reflex reaction to protect himself ) I do however feel that a red card is very harsh. If he gives the penalty, he has to send him off. It's either no foul, or a penalty and a red card. I don't think it was deliberate, so no foul. He knew very little about it. I know they say it's a double (triple if you include the suspension) punishment, but assuming it was deliberate and mcmanus got booked, Aberdeen miss the penalty, then motherwell go up the other end and equalise.... That's why the rules are probably right as they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BremnerLorimerGray Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 As long as Fraser Kerr is playing, you'll get plenty of chances to score. Stephen McManus has been feeling generous this season too. Nailed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Nailed it. Aye, you've called that well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Having read most of the comments here I was curious to see the incident. Now I have its a stonewall penalty. He moves his hand from his hip up to his chest to block the ball (probably a reflex reaction to protect himself ) I do however feel that a red card is very harsh. My feelings exactly, and given that was the angle Collum saw it from I understand why he gave the penalty. A red card is hard, but there's nothing anyone can do about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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