Ally Bongo Posted December 15, 2023 Author Share Posted December 15, 2023 BBC Question time last night Interuptions on Independence questions Angela Constance SNP - 10 Stephen Noon - Yes Campaign - 3 Anas Sarwar LAB - 0 Megan Gallacher CON - 0 Kate Andrews - 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 16, 2023 Author Share Posted December 16, 2023 https://www.thenational.scot/news/23993918.supreme-court-indyref2-ruling-judicial-overreach---read-full/ AN extract from legal advice which argues the Supreme Court overreached into judicial activism by blocking Holyrood from holding indyref2 has been published by the Alba party. The advice, written by constitutional law specialist Aidan O’Neill KC, argues that the Supreme Court's decision "to prohibit the (democratically elected and legitimate) Scottish Parliament from directly consulting the Scottish people which elected it ... is, to say the least, paradoxical". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/16/2023 at 2:23 PM, Ally Bongo said: https://www.thenational.scot/news/23993918.supreme-court-indyref2-ruling-judicial-overreach---read-full/ AN extract from legal advice which argues the Supreme Court overreached into judicial activism by blocking Holyrood from holding indyref2 has been published by the Alba party. The advice, written by constitutional law specialist Aidan O’Neill KC, argues that the Supreme Court's decision "to prohibit the (democratically elected and legitimate) Scottish Parliament from directly consulting the Scottish people which elected it ... is, to say the least, paradoxical". I'm sure an SNP spokesperson (pronouns he/she/it) will be along soon to rubbish that view and stress that they have full confidence in the UK "supreme court". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/16/2023 at 2:23 PM, Ally Bongo said: https://www.thenational.scot/news/23993918.supreme-court-indyref2-ruling-judicial-overreach---read-full/ AN extract from legal advice which argues the Supreme Court overreached into judicial activism by blocking Holyrood from holding indyref2 has been published by the Alba party. The advice, written by constitutional law specialist Aidan O’Neill KC, argues that the Supreme Court's decision "to prohibit the (democratically elected and legitimate) Scottish Parliament from directly consulting the Scottish people which elected it ... is, to say the least, paradoxical". I am sure legal teams of the SNP looked at the decision too going through it with a fine tooth comb. To me it is just another clear example of where Westminster hold all the cards. Damned frustrating definitely but when you are in such shackles I do not see what the solution is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 What a terrible budget. Still, having voted snp for best part of ten years I will now actively tactically vote against them, which in my constituency is the Lib Dems, as much as I can’t stick Cole Hamilton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 independence is truly dead with these clowns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Just spoken to my brother. A die hard snp voter who persuaded me to vote yes in 2014. Now going to vote Tory 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 44 minutes ago, Malcolm said: Just spoken to my brother. A die hard snp voter who persuaded me to vote yes in 2014. Now going to vote Tory 😂 Excuse me but what is so funny about that? If ever there was any doubt you have just blown your cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 48 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Excuse me but what is so funny about that? If ever there was any doubt you have just blown your cover. i have never had any cover. I have always said i am a right wing nationalist. The difference now is i have given up on the nationalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Malcolm said: i have never had any cover. I have always said i am a right wing nationalist. The difference now is i have given up on the nationalism I severely doubt it was ever there. Definitely is the case actually. There are posters on this thread who do not agree with SNP and policies but it is fair to say they have not given up on the idea of Scottish independence. You are making the usual unionist mistake in believing everyone who supports independence are only SNP voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 19, 2023 Author Share Posted December 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, Malcolm said: i have never had any cover. I have always said i am a right wing nationalist. The difference now is i have given up on the nationalism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 16 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: I severely doubt it was ever there. Definitely is the case actually. There are posters on this thread who do not agree with SNP and policies but it is fair to say they have not given up on the idea of Scottish independence. You are making the usual unionist mistake in believing everyone who supports independence are only SNP voters. what right wing party can help me achieve independence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Malcolm said: what right wing party can help me achieve independence? Me me me me me me me me Malcolm in a nutshell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Just now, vanderark14 said: Me me me me me me me me Malcolm in a nutshell. its actually bad for everyone. People will retire early, cut their hours, increase pension contributions, etc. And that will damage public services and the economy. stick it in your pension…. Retire at 55, making sure you have no debt. Then take 56k of your pension each year (13k tax free) leaving income of 43k, top up another 7k in capital disposal or dividends each year, top up tax free with isa capital growth or income and you leave the labour market with a marginal 21% tax rate and have a comfortable lifestyle. Thats what this budget is encouraging. there are numerous alternatives to cutting down to a 2/3 day week in combination with investing in property via a limited company and taking dividends and capital growth when its efficient to do so. What this budget is penalising is working hard, aspiring to take on a bigger job and earn more. Spend it all now and live off the state from 80. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 don't anyone be under no illusions, this is terrible for independence,, there is no papering over the cracks here, the snp are not working for independence anymore,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Just now, hampden_loon2878 said: don't anyone be under no illusions, this is terrible for independence,, there is no papering over the cracks here, the snp are not working for independence anymore,, correct. They are simply a far left party trying to push an hard left socialist manifesto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 37 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: 🤣 🤣 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 we are see the steady erosion ofcorner stones of the independence debate by the snp,, how has it come to this,, its not realy about paying more tax,, its the message it sends out,, the party has been totally useless since salmond left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Its over for the independence. The missing piece of the jigsaw was the middle class centerist voters that were in the balance. Those that were in the yes ballot a week before the referendum and shat it after the vow and voted no. Ironically i was a no until about two weeks before and then voted yes. like it or not, they will all be hard no now as they can see the snp for the commies they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 19, 2023 Author Share Posted December 19, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: we are see the steady erosion ofcorner stones of the independence debate by the snp,, how has it come to this,, its not realy about paying more tax,, its the message it sends out,, the party has been totally useless since salmond left It should be no surprise that it has came to this if you listened to Alan Bissett prior to the No vote Edited December 19, 2023 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: It should be no surprise that it has came to this if you listened to Alan Bissett prior to the No vote the party had a chance but it chose humzah. Thats like picking michael foote instead to tony blair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 19, 2023 Author Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Malcolm said: the party had a chance but it chose humzah. Thats like picking michael foote instead to tony blair. Would not make any difference which party is in control at Holyrood as all they can do is rob peter to pay paul But yes - what the party of Independence needs is an extremely populist leader instead of carrying on with the Sturgeonistas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Bit of a strange take from a Labour-supporting paper. I thought it was the SNP who were the "Tartan Tories". 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 19, 2023 Author Share Posted December 19, 2023 Just now, scotlad said: Bit of a strange take from a Labour-supporting paper. I thought it was the SNP who were the "Tartan Tories". 🤔 Clearly they are ignoring the Labour Welsh budget https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-67748243 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 The dust will settle on this budget. It's down to the snp to make people aware that the budget is the result of having one hand tied behind their back on this fight. As AB says above, they have to rob peter to pay paul. The only way out of this is independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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