ProudScot Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Dykes will never get moved aside for McBurnie, this is Clarke we are talking about. McBurnie has also proven many times he can’t score at international level and is a very poor all round footballer when he plays - he seemed to not even be able to trap a ball or play simple passes etc when in a Scotland shirt. The squad sizes are likely to go up to 26 now but we will always only ever play 1 uptop so he will still only pick 3 strikers in the squad, he’s just had a 26 man squad and there were only 3. The 3 will be Shankland, Adams & Dykes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 28 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Dykes will never get moved aside for McBurnie, this is Clarke we are talking about. McBurnie has also proven many times he can’t score at international level and is a very poor all round footballer when he plays - he seemed to not even be able to trap a ball or play simple passes etc when in a Scotland shirt. The squad sizes are likely to go up to 26 now but we will always only ever play 1 uptop so he will still only pick 3 strikers in the squad, he’s just had a 26 man squad and there were only 3. The 3 will be Shankland, Adams & Dykes. Clarke is showing signs that shankland will be the number one forward for the Euros. He's also dropped dykes for Adams when Adams came along He's dropped players for others before so let's not make stuff up. It's not like He's stayed with the same lineup since he took over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) 41 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Clarke is showing signs that shankland will be the number one forward for the Euros. He's also dropped dykes for Adams when Adams came along He's dropped players for others before so let's not make stuff up. It's not like He's stayed with the same lineup since he took over. Agreed. He picked totally inexperienced Billy Gilmour for the crunch match V England at the last Euros. Plenty of fans on here did not rate Ryan Porteous but he bucked that trend and gave him the chance and has been proven right so far. He brought in Angus Gunn and lots more and dispensed with the likes of Stephen O'Donnell, Declan Gallacher, John Fleck and plenty more. Players that have been dispensed with and replaced by an upgrade that much is clear. Nobody hear can prove McBurnie is an upgrade going on all the evidence before us so far. Edited April 9 by Caledonian Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 48 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Agreed. He picked totally inexperienced Billy Gilmour for the crunch match V England at the last Euros. Plenty of fans on here did not rate Ryan Porteous but he bucked that trend and gave him the chance and has been proven right so far. He brought in Angus Gunn and lots more and dispensed with the likes of Stephen O'Donnell, Declan Gallacher, John Fleck and plenty more. Players that have been dispensed with and replaced by an upgrade that much is clear. Nobody hear can prove McBurnie is an upgrade going on all the evidence before us so far. Mcburnie is going through a purple patch, everytime this happens to a player we end up with posters on here calling for them to be called up. I like clarkes approach, he's happy to make changes but they aren't knee jerk changes, this helps the squad and the team mentality IMO. I have already said mcburnie is making a case or himself although I believe its not a very solid case.....yet. I don't believe he will get to the Euros and I'm fine with that. I could see him getting the call if he continues this form and carries on scoring at the start of next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 14 hours ago, bdgsct said: I think we have got the best out of dykes and he may still have a bit more to offer but not long term. Mcburnie is out of contract and like it or not will get paid £30-40k next season by a lower EPL or upper championship side. If dykes was out of contract he'd get £10-£15k if he was lucky in the championship. Selection is about far more than the quality of the players but those valuations are the best reflection of quality. Using this logic we shouldnt bother with shankland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 This is the sort of on form player you find out about in a friendly to see if they are good enough IMO. Not a tried and tested many times over failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 14 minutes ago, ProudScot said: This is the sort of on form player you find out about in a friendly to see if they are good enough IMO. Not a tried and tested many times over failure. Attacking midfielders is our strongest area. In a like-for-like who would you drop to accommodate Ryan Gauld? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 25 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Using this logic we shouldnt bother with shankland Olly Burke would be first name on the team sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 49 minutes ago, Caledonian Craig said: Attacking midfielders is our strongest area. In a like-for-like who would you drop to accommodate Ryan Gauld? Wouldn’t drop anyone. Would use friendlies to try things and players out - exactly what we should have done with the last set of friendlies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 3 minutes ago, ProudScot said: Wouldn’t drop anyone. Would use friendlies to try things and players out - exactly what we should have done with the last set of friendlies No I meant for the Euros. Lets presume he were called up for the next round of Euros and excels who do you drop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, Caledonian Craig said: No I meant for the Euros. Lets presume he were called up for the next round of Euros and excels who do you drop? I guess if the squad size goes upto 26 you wouldn’t need to drop anyone. In reality Christie plays as a deep midfielder now only in club football the same as McGregor and Gilmour so McLean has no place in the squad so by that reasoning Christie’s attacking mid spot is available or should be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanBlessed Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, Scotty2Hotty said: You would drop one of the three reserve goalies or many CB's we have sitting around doing next to nothing... I think having three goalkeepers is a rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceudmilefailte Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 7 minutes ago, BryanBlessed said: I think having three goalkeepers is a rule. Before you get corrected, three reserve keepers make four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryanBlessed Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 7 minutes ago, ceudmilefailte said: Before you get corrected, three reserve keepers make four. Assumed that was a typo as, obviously, Clarke isn't taking four keepers and he could have added more players to the last camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immcinto Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 13 hours ago, mccaughey85 said: His club form has always been hit or miss. End of the day he is a average championship striker He *was* an average Championship striker, which would be good enough for us considering. However, is form has been consistently miss for the entire season. If there are only 23 slots then surely he knows the score, we can't carry liabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdgsct Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 4 hours ago, vanderark14 said: Using this logic we shouldnt bother with shankland Dykes/mcburnie comparison was based on similar style of play, i doubt he'll take both. Shankland a different kind of striker and whilst I'd take him I don't think he's doen enough to be guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4Footsoldier Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Please no more Ryan Gauld shouts! It's no 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 51 minutes ago, bdgsct said: Dykes/mcburnie comparison was based on similar style of play, i doubt he'll take both. Shankland a different kind of striker and whilst I'd take him I don't think he's doen enough to be guaranteed. Shankland will be expected to play the lone forward role with supports from the AM's the same as Dykes and Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 5 hours ago, Caledonian Craig said: Attacking midfielders is our strongest area. In a like-for-like who would you drop to accommodate Ryan Gauld? I don't think a swap is necessary, assuming we go with three centre-forwards. Gauld would offer something different from most of our other midfielders. He has pace, can beat a man and can run with the ball. I actually see him as more of a forward. The two recent friendlies have shown that we are slightly one-paced in attack and it was clear against Northern Ireland in particular that we struggle to break down teams that sit in and defend. Someone like Gauld who can put in a cross or thread a pass through - or score a goal himself - would be a valuable asset. It's an academic debate thought, because there's virtually no chance of him being called up. If Clarke was convinced by him I am sure he would have been called up already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 58 minutes ago, scotlad said: I don't think a swap is necessary, assuming we go with three centre-forwards. Gauld would offer something different from most of our other midfielders. He has pace, can beat a man and can run with the ball. I actually see him as more of a forward. The two recent friendlies have shown that we are slightly one-paced in attack and it was clear against Northern Ireland in particular that we struggle to break down teams that sit in and defend. Someone like Gauld who can put in a cross or thread a pass through - or score a goal himself - would be a valuable asset. It's an academic debate thought, because there's virtually no chance of him being called up. If Clarke was convinced by him I am sure he would have been called up already. This I trust that clarke has been keeping tabs on Gauld, maybe Clarke thinks Gauld just isn't good enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdgsct Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 2 hours ago, vanderark14 said: Shankland will be expected to play the lone forward role with supports from the AM's the same as Dykes and Adams I'm not so sure. Dykes and Adams have proved they can start on their own in competitive games at that level, Shankland hasn't. I expect to see him late in games when we need a goal. I've no issue with that as squads are big enough to accommodate such players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 1 hour ago, vanderark14 said: This I trust that clarke has been keeping tabs on Gauld, maybe Clarke thinks Gauld just isn't good enough Almost certainly, he plays in the MLS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 (edited) 25 minutes ago, runningtings said: Almost certainly, he plays in the MLS. So does Lionel Messi. The point I am making is the league in itself is not a disqualifier, Clarke himself was calling up Johnny Russel for his first few squads. I do believe that Clarke has missed an opportunity looking at Morgan and Gauld from the MLS and one of the younger strikers. At the same time, I also appreciate Clarke's MO by keeping steady squad's. I am a layman, not a professional like Clarke but my opinion is no less valid than anyone else's, what I believe we lack is a hail mary from the bench when things are not going well, putting on Kenny McLean is not what I would be doing, I would like to look at my bench and think I have a different player who is fit on form and worth considering. Ryan Fraser would make my 26 squad for what's its worth. Edited April 9 by romanticscot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 I agree we need a Plan B and maybe even a bit of a wildcard, but I'm pretty sure that Clarke will have looked into Gauld by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romanticscot Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 4 minutes ago, runningtings said: I agree we need a Plan B and maybe even a bit of a wildcard, but I'm pretty sure that Clarke will have looked into Gauld by now. I would like to think so too but he hasn't been over here as far as I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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