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31 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

A one trick pony according to Pele.

The viagra has affected Pele's eyesight then. 

I still think of Pele as the greatest of all time but he is a bit of a twat about it sometimes. 

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Probably scored more free kicks over the past 5 years than most teams. 

Still top scorer assists for 2018. 

Pele has praised him in the past so maybe he’s going senile in his advanced years. 

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Never listen to Pele.

He has about 35,000 players in his top 50 of all time.

Plus old folk talking about young folk.

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All of the above could be true. 

Still, not sure why people so touchy about Messi. 

Messi is arguably overrated. I imagine Pele thinks greatness is measured in world cups. 

Pele played and scored in three world cup winning sides, including scoring in two finals. Messi never won a world cup.

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10 minutes ago, exile said:

All of the above could be true. 

Still, not sure why people so touchy about Messi. 

Messi is arguably overrated. I imagine Pele thinks greatness is measured in world cups. 

Pele played and scored in three world cup winning sides, including scoring in two finals. Messi never won a world cup.

I don’t think you need to be touchy about Messi to think Pele is being incredibly harsh calling him a one trick pony. 

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8 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said:

I don’t think you need to be touchy about Messi to think Pele is being incredibly harsh calling him a one trick pony. 

The one trick pony comment is ridiculous, but was surprised so many were so quick to defend Messi and trash Pele    

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2 minutes ago, exile said:

The one trick pony comment is ridiculous, but was surprised so many were so quick to defend Messi and trash Pele    

Messi is a product of modern medicine , but Pele does give about 50 different answers to the same question depending on where he is asked.

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2 minutes ago, phart said:

Messi is a product of modern medicine , but Pele does give about 50 different answers to the same question depending on where he is asked.

I'm not defending Pele's pronouncements, I don't follow what he says, I was just referring to when his football did the talking.

I'd say the comments against Pele above are more harsh or exaggerated than his original quote. I guess I wondered why.  

 

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He still provided one of my all-time favourite quotes in 1970. Just after scoring his 1000th goal he said, " I could have scored it earlier, but the goalkeeper kept getting in the way." How inconsiderate.

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2 minutes ago, thplinth said:

So why so few Messis?

 

Not everyone hyper responds to the medicine. Or has a condition that allows you to use the good stuff.

The Grand Tour Peletons are full of modern medicine too, only a few Froome's and Lances in it.

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10 minutes ago, Third Lanark said:

He still provided one of my all-time favourite quotes in 1970. Just after scoring his 1000th goal he said, " I could have scored it earlier, but the goalkeeper kept getting in the way." How inconsiderate.

1000th goal? He counts friendlies and goals scored in the back garden 

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Was his "drug use" not all back when he was a child and a potential dwarf / midget? (fuck sake what is the correct term now?). So he was prescribed growth drugs to avoid him being too small.

Apart from that ... has he been at the PED's?

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1 hour ago, exile said:

All of the above could be true. 

Still, not sure why people so touchy about Messi. 

Messi is arguably overrated. I imagine Pele thinks greatness is measured in world cups. 

Pele played and scored in three world cup winning sides, including scoring in two finals. Messi never won a world cup.

Carry on.

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2 hours ago, Mox said:

Carry on.

I don't think it's worth the argument (you don't need to look far from here for examples). 

I imagine Messi himself would be embarrassed about some of the things people say about him.

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2 hours ago, thplinth said:

Was his "drug use" not all back when he was a child and a potential dwarf / midget? (fuck sake what is the correct term now?). So he was prescribed growth drugs to avoid him being too small.

Apart from that ... has he been at the PED's?

Nah mate football is clean, it's just cyclists trying to get on £200k a year contracts who use.

A positive test was covered up in last years Champions league final.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/23/real-madrid-deny-sergio-ramos-failed-to-comply-with-anti-doping-regulation

" According to Football Leaks, Ramos tested positive for dexamethasone, a corticosteroid which is banned under World Anti-Doping Agency guidelines, unless administered with a medical report. The club doctor said that he had given Ramos a betamethasone painkilling injection due to problems in his shoulder and knee, later taking the blame for reporting the wrong treatment and attributing it to “human error” after the final. "

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/football-leaks-doping-tests-and-real-madrid-a-1240035.html#ref=rss

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/other-soccer/ewan-mackenna-the-curious-case-of-sergio-ramos-raises-so-many-questions-and-leaves-us-with-no-answers-37578844.html

 

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2 minutes ago, exile said:

I don't think it's worth the argument (you don't need to look far from here for examples). 

I imagine Messi himself would be embarrassed about some of the things people say about him.

He might well be embarrassed, but most of the stuff, the positive stuff about him is true, he's the greatest player thats ever lived and by quite some distance.

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11 minutes ago, phart said:

Nah mate football is clean, it's just cyclists trying to get on £200k a year contracts who use.

A positive test was covered up in last years Champions league final.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/23/real-madrid-deny-sergio-ramos-failed-to-comply-with-anti-doping-regulation

" According to Football Leaks, Ramos tested positive for dexamethasone, a corticosteroid which is banned under World Anti-Doping Agency guidelines, unless administered with a medical report. The club doctor said that he had given Ramos a betamethasone painkilling injection due to problems in his shoulder and knee, later taking the blame for reporting the wrong treatment and attributing it to “human error” after the final. "

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/football-leaks-doping-tests-and-real-madrid-a-1240035.html#ref=rss

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/other-soccer/ewan-mackenna-the-curious-case-of-sergio-ramos-raises-so-many-questions-and-leaves-us-with-no-answers-37578844.html

 

" Contrast it with the case of Eric Molina in 2016, after the US heavyweight had been knocked out by Anthony Joshua in Manchester. He tested positive for dexamethasone too, and just like in this case, it was accepted that it was an oversight, with Molina saying he ingested it accidentally through a vitamin supplement. He got banned for two years though."

Boxing has almost zero anti-doping measures and they still gave boxer 2 years for testing positive.

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1 minute ago, Mox said:

He might well be embarrassed, but most of the stuff, the positive stuff about him is true, he's the greatest player thats ever lived and by quite some distance.

I would say he is one of the most naturally gifted players ever to walk the earth, and doesn’t carry the baggage of a Maradona or George Best which has allowed him to do it consistently.

It is a shame he has never done it (or had the team with him to do it) at a World Cup, but he has done it in the champions league and as much as we might all wish things didn’t move on, that is now the pinnacle.

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