the lunger Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I seem to recall that somewhere in this thread it is asserted that the Earth is motionless. How does Foucault's pendulum fit into this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 27 minutes ago, the lunger said: I seem to recall that somewhere in this thread it is asserted that the Earth is motionless. How does Foucault's pendulum fit into this ? It probably doesn't. And you won't get an answer on how it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 23 hours ago, the lunger said: I seem to recall that somewhere in this thread it is asserted that the Earth is motionless. How does Foucault's pendulum fit into this ? "trickery, smoke and mirrors" https://www.quora.com/How-do-flat-Earthers-explain-the-Foucault-pendulum  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 Thought I'd copy Ally's posts to the non-religious thread... 2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: Wow http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-39034050 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: Â I wonder what kind of influence the gravity of those objects being so close together will have? Could be a fairly turbulent solar system! Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 On 09/02/2017 at 10:29 PM, Mindimoo said: Why did he not get s ban for those graphic images? Dunno. I never actually saw them.From the description they sounded quite nasty. Personally I took it as a bit of a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Toepoke said: Thought I'd copy Ally's posts to the non-religious thread... Â Â I wonder what kind of influence the gravity of those objects being so close together will have? Could be a fairly turbulent solar system! Â Â Gravity, come on, how many times have we got to go through this, stuff falls.FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Toepoke said: Thought I'd copy Ally's posts to the non-religious thread... Â Â I wonder what kind of influence the gravity of those objects being so close together will have? Could be a fairly turbulent solar system! Â Â They'll be millions of miles away from each other surely? They just truncate distances for the purpose of illustration as a scale model would be ridiculous looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, phart said: They'll be millions of miles away from each other surely? They just truncate distances for the purpose of illustration as a scale model would be ridiculous looking. Buzz Killington lol Aye here is some perspective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 So about 50 million miles between the two closest, depending on shape of orbits and relative positions in that orbit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Buzz Killington lol Aye here is some perspective Fair enough looking that. I'd picked it up wrong earlier and thought all 7 planets were within the "Goldilocks zone" around a much smaller star than our own.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Fair enough looking that. I'd picked it up wrong earlier and thought all 7 planets were within the "Goldilocks zone" around a much smaller star than our own.... Did you just see the 'Goldilocks' bit on the news too? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 32 minutes ago, phart said: So about 50 million miles between the two closest, depending on shape of orbits and relative positions in that orbit. It looks like that but some of the mock ups on NASA seem to suggest if you were on the surface of one of the planets you could see the others in the atmosphere Probably just for effect The planets also are very close to each other. If a person was standing on one of the planet’s surface, they could gaze up and potentially see geological features or clouds of neighboring worlds, which would sometimes appear larger than the moon in Earth’s sky. Edited February 22, 2017 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 They're still very close together all things considered. I'm amazed it's a stable system, but the inner four planets I think have a resonance in their orbits due to the proximity. It's fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 18 minutes ago, Mindimoo said: Did you just see the 'Goldilocks' bit on the news too? ? Ha! Yes, I knew the term but it was a timely reminder  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 5 hours ago, Eisegerwind said: Dunno. I never actually saw them. From the description they sounded quite nasty. That's too bad. You were one of the main people I was directing the post at. You were sarcastically making light of "those poor oppressed Christians" in regard to me bringing attention to the Christian genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Christians_by_ISIL and I responded by saying "here... make fun of this... " WARNING GRAPHIC PHOTOS (RAW) - ISIS begins killing Christians in Mosul, CHILDREN BEHEADED http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=56481 On 2/9/2017 at 5:29 PM, Mindimoo said: Why did he not get a ban for those graphic images? What's worse... Mocking genocide, or proving genocide to a mocker? 5 hours ago, Eisegerwind said: Personally I took it as a bit of a win. Live with your post. (God help you.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 7 hours ago, Toepoke said: Thought I'd copy Ally's posts to the non-religious thread... I appreciate that. Best to pat each other on the back re: the latest satanic CGI deceptions over here. (There's no such thing as 'light years' btw.) 5 hours ago, Toepoke said: Fair enough looking that. I'd picked it up wrong earlier and thought all 7 planets were within the "Goldilocks zone" around a much smaller star than our own.... "It's a class 'M' planet, Captain." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: Â Best to pat each other on the back re: the latest satanic CGI deceptions over here. Â Seek help and grow up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: (There's no such thing as 'light years' btw.) You cannae change the laws of physics Scotty. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Saying there's no such thing as light years is the same as saying there's no such thing as miles or inches. You may believe that nothing exists that far away, but it is still nothing more nor less than a measure of distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Scotty CTA said:  (There's no such thing as 'light years' btw.)  What do you mean by that? Light travels at a particular speed (I've measured that myself) and a light year is the distance it'd travel in one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Since Scotty bases his cosmology on Genesis chapter 1, I imagine that his position would be that the firmament is closer to earth than one light year. Hence it's a distance that can't be travelled. All evidence that counters this is fake. The problem (well, one of the problems) with basing one's cosmology on Genesis, is that the book (along with a number of others in the Bible) is evidently a compilation of texts based on sources that came from different traditions. For example, at Genesis chapter 2 verse 4, we suddenly get a different name for God (a switch from Elohim to Yahweh), and this switch coincides with a different version of the creation of Adam and Eve. This would make no sense if we were dealing with the word of God; it makes perfect sense if we're dealing with a book that's a compilation of man-made texts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) 52 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: Since Scotty bases his cosmology on Genesis chapter 1, I imagine that his position would be that the firmament is closer to earth than one light year. Hence it's a distance that can't be travelled. All evidence that counters this is fake. The problem (well, one of the problems) with basing one's cosmology on Genesis, is that the book (along with a number of others in the Bible) is evidently a compilation of texts based on sources that came from different traditions. For example, at Genesis chapter 2 verse 4, we suddenly get a different name for God (a switch from Elohim to Yahweh), and this switch coincides with a different version of the creation of Adam and Eve. This would make no sense if we were dealing with the word of God; it makes perfect sense if we're dealing with a book that's a compilation of man-made texts. That doesn't mean that a light year doesn't exist. It means that there's nothing that exists that is that size. The concept of something larger can still exist, it's just a unit of measurement. It's like saying a metre doesn't exist.  Edited February 23, 2017 by biffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Toepoke said: You cannae change the laws of physics Scotty. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 15 minutes ago, biffer said: That doesn't mean that a light year doesn't exist. It means that there's nothing that exists that is that size. The concept of something larger can still exist, it's just a unit of measurement. It's like saying a metre doesn't exist. Â I accept that, I was just playing 'Predict the response' - although on past form it was perhaps more likely that you were going to get no response at all. Since Scotty's default position on counter-evidence based on physics is that it's been faked, I just wonder if things might not be a little less predictable if we also interrogate the one source of knowledge that he believes can't be faked ... I'm still waiting for the explanation of how God inscribed the Earth as a circle on the waters in Isaiah (I think), yet this circle has four corners in Revelation. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: I accept that, I was just playing 'Predict the response' - although on past form it was perhaps more likely that you were going to get no response at all. Since Scotty's default position on counter-evidence based on physics is that it's been faked, I just wonder if things might not be a little less predictable if we also interrogate the one source of knowledge that he believes can't be faked ... I'm still waiting for the explanation of how God inscribed the Earth as a circle on the waters in Isaiah (I think), yet this circle has four corners in Revelation. Â Â Yeah I know you were doing that, it's easy to predict sometimes isn't it? I'd like an explanation of how we had holographic / CGI projection 100 years ago to fake all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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