podgers1903 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Surely now with qualification all but gone. Any player 30 years old or over should not be involved in the Squad. Or is this a bit of an over reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Same rule should apply to the support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 8 minutes ago, deecie said: Same rule should apply to the support. I shall be reporting you to my care home director. When I can remember who it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Mibee Aye, except for the Keeper...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 7 hours ago, TDYER63 said: I shall be reporting you to my care home director. When I can remember who it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 8 hours ago, deecie said: Same rule should apply to the support. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 All the over 30's should have been punted after the Poland game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercules Rockefeller Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I'd say if we don't win the Slovenia game at home (to well and truly end any hope of qualifying) then that would be the final straw for our over 30s (other than our goalies). Kind of futile keeping the likes of Russell Martin in who won't improve and has regressed in the last couple of years. If Scot Gemmill is adamant he'll only play players eligible for the next under 21 campaign then it's surely time to start playing a few of the last crop in the first team (thinking of John McGinn and Ryan Fraser in particular). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 bollox - plenty of international teams have players 30+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercules Rockefeller Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, euan2020 said: bollox - plenty of international teams have players 30+ Difference being ours are almost exclusively guff/past it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Only if we can get better replacements. Have you seen how pish the under 21s are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 8 hours ago, euan2020 said: bollox - plenty of international teams have players 30+ Yes they do. Guys who have won world cups , championships, euros, play in the champions league... Not bench players in English 2nd tier. It's not about age, but if you're good enough, and much of Scotland players are just not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 11 hours ago, Hercules Rockefeller said: Difference being ours are almost exclusively guff/past it that's fine then - the reason they should not be picked is cos they are not good enough - not cos they are above 30 so we agree Over 30's thing being old went out in the 80's - plenty of players are now playing through until 35-37 cos of better diet, and managing their body better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euan2020 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 rather than worry about throwing out over 30's I think we should be more worried about identifying and bringing through younger players, so that in itself will determine we are not relying on older players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
podgers1903 Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 Am not saying don't play over 30's its just the most of the guys that are over 30 at the moment prob wont be in the next qualifying campaign so why not use players who will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 I'd go along with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bino's Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 lets just play the u-21 side in senior internationals to prepare for the future oh, wait...their total shite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarky1606 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 20 minutes ago, Bino's said: lets just play the u-21 side in senior internationals to prepare for the future oh, wait...their total shite It worked for Iceland though. They kept a few decent players (Gudjohnsen, Sigurdsson etc.), got rid of the dead wood and promoted the 21's. They knew they would be garbage for a few years until the young lads matured but look at them now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calmc92 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 If you fielded a team of kids(that aren't exactly world beaters) against a senior international team(half decent) you would get skelped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_broxibear Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 aye ok - Hanley would become our most experienced centre back! I can see success in a team like that!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnish Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 1 hour ago, clarky1606 said: It worked for Iceland though. They kept a few decent players (Gudjohnsen, Sigurdsson etc.), got rid of the dead wood and promoted the 21's. They knew they would be garbage for a few years until the young lads matured but look at them now.... Difference is though Iceland (and it was the same with Wales) had a generation of quality youngsters coming through to blood so it was a sensible strategy, we don't. The only young players ever likely to make an impact at senior level are Tierney, Robertson , Paterson and Burke, all of whom Strachan has put in the starting line up this campaign so you can't knock him for that. You might as well persevere with Fletcher, Brown (if he can be arssed) and Berra for the rest of this campaign whilst we have some faint hope of qualifying rather than throwing in the towel. Come the start of the next campaign I don't see our squad being any different, hopefully Morrison will have called it quits and Greer will be player manager of East stirling maybe and been replaced by Phillips and Souttar but otherwise we're stuck with what we've got really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarky1606 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 13 hours ago, mcnish said: Difference is though Iceland (and it was the same with Wales) had a generation of quality youngsters coming through to blood so it was a sensible strategy, we don't. The only young players ever likely to make an impact at senior level are Tierney, Robertson , Paterson and Burke, all of whom Strachan has put in the starting line up this campaign so you can't knock him for that. You might as well persevere with Fletcher, Brown (if he can be arssed) and Berra for the rest of this campaign whilst we have some faint hope of qualifying rather than throwing in the towel. Come the start of the next campaign I don't see our squad being any different, hopefully Morrison will have called it quits and Greer will be player manager of East stirling maybe and been replaced by Phillips and Souttar but otherwise we're stuck with what we've got really. I would rather persevere with the young lads coming through and give them the chance to improve. Players like Fletcher, Berra, Greer etc. aint going to get any better and therefore neither will the team. If we promote the youth and give them a chance to strive maybe we will improve. This campaign is all but over. It was the same players who let us down last campaign so why should we persevere and pay our money to watch them again and again. I think a lot of fans would be happy to see us promote the youth and have a go at it. If it doesnt work then lets face it we were highly unlikely to get out of the group anyway but in return we have a young, healthy team with 5-10 caps each ready get stuck into the euro 2020 campaign with the dangling carrot of 2 of our 3 group matches being played at Hampden if we qualify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
podgers1903 Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 13 hours ago, mcnish said: Difference is though Iceland (and it was the same with Wales) had a generation of quality youngsters coming through to blood so it was a sensible strategy, we don't. The only young players ever likely to make an impact at senior level are Tierney, Robertson , Paterson and Burke, all of whom Strachan has put in the starting line up this campaign so you can't knock him for that. You might as well persevere with Fletcher, Brown (if he can be arssed) and Berra for the rest of this campaign whilst we have some faint hope of qualifying rather than throwing in the towel. Come the start of the next campaign I don't see our squad being any different, hopefully Morrison will have called it quits and Greer will be player manager of East stirling maybe and been replaced by Phillips and Souttar but otherwise we're stuck with what we've got really. Ryan Gauld, Stephen Kingsley, Ryan Fraser, Oliver McBurnie, John McGinn, John Soutter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geed Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Would build the current team around Paterson, Hanley (hes only 24 and most centre halfs don't reach there peak until later 20's, folk need to get off his back, but he needs regular games at club level every week to improve), Tierney, Robertson, Kingsley, Souter, Griffiths, Bannan, Burke, Forrest, McGinn every player 25 or under Keep McArthur, Morrison, Snoddy & Marshall or McGregor for experience. For me that should retire from national team, Darren Fletcher, Stevie Fletcher, Scott Brown, Mulgrew, Martin, Greer, Berra, Maloney, Gordon all 30 and should make way for younger players or not as good as they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I's add Stuart Armstrong and Barrie McKay to be that list and Lewis Macleod when his cruciate is fixed. I'm hoping to see Tony Watt get a few goals for Hearts. It's pace and power that we are desperately lacking above all the else - it gets you easy goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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