scoobydoo Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 11 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: I cannot believe what I've just read Unbelievable. Something clearly went badly wrong with your upbringing. Damn right. Behead those who insult the religion of peace!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 11 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Julia's not held back in her response... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/14/the-orlando-shooting-is-not-about-owen-jones-despite-what-his-ha/ Â Can't be bothered reading the full article, but the headline point seems pretty accurate. Couldnt really understand what his tantrum was about? Seemed to have taken the attack extremely personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 16 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: I cannot believe what I've just read Unbelievable. Something clearly went badly wrong with your upbringing. What cant you believe about my post?  7 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: Another far-right Islamophobic idiot then. Assuming you are including me as a far-right Islamophobic, can you give me evidence of such a claim or do you actually believe you're own pish. Liberal Left with your head stuck up your arse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Lanark Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) Anyone who doesn't know Owen Jones should read his book 'the Establishment' first. He is certainly no 'bell-end.' That said, I cannot see why he was upset. One can disapprove of homosexuality without advocating killing of gays. That might be what he is finding it hard to come to terms with. Edited June 14, 2016 by Third Lanark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 43 minutes ago, girvanTA said: What cant you believe about my post?  Assuming you are including me as a far-right Islamophobic, can you give me evidence of such a claim or do you actually believe you're own pish. Liberal Left with your head stuck up your arse I really hope there are no young Scottish Muslims with dreams of playing for Scotland that are reading your disgusting rants of hate and suspicion directed solely against their faith which is one of peace and harmony. You are pure poison, pure poison. Nor do you remotely represent this country thank god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauniscots Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 hour ago, ErsatzThistle said: Another far-right Islamophobic idiot then. Another free spirit serial protesting new age hippy then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 feck off you weirdo, can you show me where on the previous posts that I have slammed all muslims? I have said that the vast majority of muslims are peaceful however this idiot in florida had links to terrorist organisations, as reported by the american media and fbi. You probably wear toe-rings with sandals and campaign for "free the weed", whilst calling everyone Hitler that doesn't share you're views. you don't represent all liberals but you do give them a bad name, your just a twat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, girvanTA said: feck off you weirdo, can you show me where on the previous posts that I have slammed all muslims? I have said that the vast majority of muslims are peaceful however this idiot in florida had links to terrorist organisations, as reported by the american media and fbi. You probably wear toe-rings with sandals and campaign for "free the weed", whilst calling everyone Hitler that doesn't share you're views. you don't represent all liberals but you do give them a bad name, your just a twat thats easy, its in the post where you said the religion of peace strikes again. It didn't take you long to start abusing someone just because they disagree with your views. You even openly admitted that you are happy being ignorant too, try and find which post you implied this and you can win yourself a jelly bean.   Edited June 14, 2016 by vanderark14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 3 minutes ago, hauniscots said: Another free spirit serial protesting new age hippy then. No but given the choice of being a "free spirit serial protesting new age hippy" or someone filled with a boiling blind hatred, suspicion and intolerance of others purely on account of their faith, I'll have the former every single time.  Just now, girvanTA said: feck off you weirdo, can you show me where on the previous posts that I have slammed all muslims? I have said that the vast majority of muslims are peaceful however this idiot in florida had links to terrorist organisations, as reported by the american media and fbi. You probably wear toe-rings with sandals and campaign for "free the weed", whilst calling everyone Hitler that doesn't share you're views. you don't represent all liberals but you do give them a bad name, your just a twat You've made loads of obsessive about Islam and immigration. One doesn't to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out your alarming beliefs. You say you don't want to visit a mosque to learn about our fellow Scots yet you make a very sinister suggestion that Scottish Muslims should go to a Church of Scotland and learn about "our culture and faith?" which is another textbook far-right rant. Aye, they should know their place, know who's in charge and who takes priority. By the by, the the CofS orientated culture and faith your alluding to is certainly not one I recognise, (nor any of my friends or family) nor according to the last census do over half the country. In fact it hasn't been for decades now. And a bloody good thing too. It was a culture that once made life very hard for hundreds of thousands of Catholics in Scotland including my own family. It's scary someone has such beliefs in today's world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin4 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Been a while since there's been suspensions, bannings and threads being locked. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 10 minutes ago, ErsatzThistle said: No but given the choice of being a "free spirit serial protesting new age hippy" or someone filled with a boiling blind hatred, suspicion and intolerance of others purely on account of their faith, I'll have the former every single time.  You've made loads of obsessive about Islam and immigration. One doesn't to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out your alarming beliefs. You say you don't want to visit a mosque to learn about our fellow Scots yet you make a very sinister suggestion that Scottish Muslims should go to a Church of Scotland and learn about "our culture and faith?" which is another textbook far-right rant. Aye, they should know their place, know who's in charge and who takes priority. By the by, the the CofS orientated culture and faith your alluding to is certainly not one I recognise, (nor any of my friends or family) nor according to the last census do over half the country. In fact it hasn't been for decades now. And a bloody good thing too. It was a culture that once made life very hard for hundreds of thousands of Catholics in Scotland including my own family. It's scary someone has such beliefs in today's world. you are becoming boring now, me and you have very different opinions and personal views, I can accept that but you cant. Many muslim's interpret Islam as peace and many muslim's interpret Islam as submission. Thats not being and a bigot, racist or an islamophobe, it is though factually correct. If maybe you went to you're local mosque you would have known that. 3 minutes ago, Admin4 said: Been a while since there's been suspensions, bannings and threads being locked.  If you want to ban me then I will totally accept that, but I would like to know your reasons and evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 40 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Anyone who doesn't know Owen Jones should read his book 'the Establishment' first. He is certainly no 'bell-end.' That said, I cannot see why he was upset. One can disapprove of homosexuality without advocating killing of gays. That might be what he is finding it hard to come to terms with. where he falls down in that book (and generally on the topic of the Establishment) is that he is too blinkered within the roots of Labour to have noticed that the best and most significant example of the Establishment pulling together was during the Independence Referendum. He gives mere passing reference to the referendum in the book (even during subsequent publications where he would have more opportunity to assess and refer to it) before citing lots of other reasonable but less damning or convincing examples of the Establishment at work. Yes, he wrote the book from an English perspective but any reasonably minded person could see big business, Government, land owners and the wealthy plus the media come together to preserve their way of life and their interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin4 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 I don't want to ban anyone. It's not like we sit with our fingers over the "Ban" button and have been sitting frustrated for a while. But the level of personal abuse - and by that I don't mean disagreement - I mean personal abuse is unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 48 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Anyone who doesn't know Owen Jones should read his book 'the Establishment' first. He is certainly no 'bell-end.' That said, I cannot see why he was upset. One can disapprove of homosexuality without advocating killing of gays. That might be what he is finding it hard to come to terms with. His issue was that a lot of commentators were reluctant to refer to it as a homophobic attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garywag Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 13 minutes ago, aaid said: His issue was that a lot of commentators were reluctant to refer to it as a homophobic attack. They do say its Homophobic though, he just appears to want it open and shut with no further discussion and shouts louder than everyone else to make it seem like they weren't saying that and as Julia said in her statement seemed to be putting words in the other two's mouths. I think the only one in the wrong during that debate was him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hauniscots Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 There has been one man who started the personal abuse. The Owen Jones of the board, strop after strop, in a continuous attempt at displaying his mock offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, hauniscots said: There has been one man who started the personal abuse. The Owen Jones of the board, strop after strop, in a continuous attempt at displaying his mock offence. I wouldn't compare girvanTA to Owen Jones  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, hauniscots said: There has been one man who started the personal abuse. The Owen Jones of the board, strop after strop, in a continuous attempt at displaying his mock offence. I like Owen Jones so thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Why do people think it is a homophobic attack. The shooter was gay but was a awkward misfit who 'nobody liked'. This is more like Columbine than a hate crime. The fact everyone was gay is not that relevant. His feelings that he had been rejected seems more important. His ex wife said she did not think it was terrorist attack nor that he had any links to terrorists. She also said the FBI told her not to tell this the american media / public (she married a Brazilian guy and was speaking to their media I think). The comments by the father are odd as clearly the sight of men kissing would not bother someone who spends regular nights at his local gay night club. I find the weird call to the police in the middle of the rampage a little odd as well but let's see what emerges. Certainly his father is an interesting 'character'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al1978 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 11 minutes ago, thplinth said: Why do people think it is a homophobic attack. The shooter was gay but was a awkward misfit who 'nobody liked'. This is more like Columbine than a hate crime. The fact everyone was gay is not that relevant. His feelings that he had been rejected seems more important. His ex wife said she did not think it was terrorist attack nor that he had any links to terrorists. She also said the FBI told her not to tell this the american media / public (she married a Brazilian guy and was speaking to their media I think). The comments by the father are odd as clearly the sight of men kissing would not bother someone who spends regular nights at his local gay night club. I find the weird call to the police in the middle of the rampage a little odd as well but let's see what emerges. Certainly his father is an interesting 'character'... Do you think you might be misunderstanding the situation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 No. I'll leave that up to that utter dickhead Owen Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 One of the girls I know lost a friend in the attack, she worked on cruise ships with the guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 15, 2016 Author Share Posted June 15, 2016 The ex wife is now a "person of interest" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36535441 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyTJS Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 2 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: The ex wife is now a "person of interest" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36535441 Second wife; not the ex. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted June 15, 2016 Author Share Posted June 15, 2016 10 minutes ago, DonnyTJS said: Second wife; not the ex.  FFS I thought he was supposed to be gay This case has got more twists than a bag of christmas lights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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