er yir macaroon Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/barry-ferguson-learned-more-five-6823270 Say what you like about him as a Scotland player (I thought he was superb on the pitch), this a great article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khana Lagur Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/barry-ferguson-learned-more-five-6823270 Say what you like about him as a Scotland player (I thought he was superb on the pitch), this a great article. Gonna post it then? Some of us aren't prepared to click a link with a certain combination of words in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 er yir macaroon, on 13 Nov 2015 - 10:25 AM, said: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/barry-ferguson-learned-more-five-6823270 Say what you like about him as a Scotland player (I thought he was superb on the pitch), this a great article. A great article? Really? He uses a lot of words to say not very much. He wants kids to play the playstation less and enjoy playing football more? Fantastic insight... How we going to achieve that? Barry doesn't tell us that, unsurprisingly. The part about "getting booted up and down the park" being fantastic is ridiculous. I'm not involved in youth football but it's obvious that the more touches of a ball a kid has, the more they'll learn and develop. He's also saying we should go back 30 years, an era which produced all the players that have failed to get us to any tournaments in so long. Quality idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 If Ryan Jack had written that you'd be pushing for a Purlitzer Prize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 He's certainly identified the problem. Good luck with finding a solution though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 er yir macaroon, on 13 Nov 2015 - 10:41 AM, said: If Ryan Jack had written that you'd be pushing for a Purlitzer Prize. I'm judging the article on its content, not its author. Who, for your information, i thought was a fantastic player and probably the best player Scotland has produced in the last 20 years. We're allowed to have different opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 I'm judging the article on its content, not its author. Who, for your information, i thought was a fantastic player and probably the best player Scotland has produced in the last 20 years. We're allowed to have different opinions. Fair enough, if you could recognise his talent you are due some credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 er yir macaroon, on 13 Nov 2015 - 10:46 AM, said: Fair enough, if you could recognise his talent you are due some credit. Ryan Jack is actually pretty similar in style to Ferguson later in his career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 Ryan Jack is actually pretty similar in style to Ferguson later in his career Controversially, so is Barrie Mackie in the way he plays with his head up - but he's also similar to Durrant in the way he glides past opponents. He could be top drawer if allowed to play in an advance midfield role (instead of out wide). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtag Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 A great article? Really? He uses a lot of words to say not very much. I didn't think he knew a lot of words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I think there's something on what he says about playing in the reserves as opposed to youth teams. I think there is a point where playing against other players of the same age stops having any benefit and to improve you need to test yourself against stronger and better players. It's not about being kicked up and down the park - well there is an element of that - but it's about being able to avoid being kicked up and down the park and being able to impose yourself on the game and physically stronger players, because lets face it that's exactly what they are going to face if they make it into the first team. I think that scrapping the reserve leagues and bringing in the development league was a laudable attempt to kick start youth development but arguably it hasn't worked and we're really no further forwards than we were 17 years ago when it was introduced. I'm not really sure what the answer is myself and I don't think its as simple as turning the clock back 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 er yir macaroon, on 13 Nov 2015 - 10:55 AM, said: Controversially, so is Barrie Mackie in the way he plays with his head up - but he's also similar to Durrant in the way he glides past opponents. He could be top drawer if allowed to play in an advance midfield role (instead of out wide). I've never seen the guy play, so i'll have to take your word for that. Anyway, back on topic... We're always hearing how great our coach training scheme is at Largs, is that a lot of pish? Seems the Scotland manager doesn't rate it much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 i'm certainly hoping what Ferguson was saying doesn't apply to the elite performance schools. The message there was players would be getting a lot more touches of the ball than previously. There needs to be unstructured small sided games, too, where they're just allowed to get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Sunnylaw Jag Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 A lot of our heroes from the 60's and 70's were farmed out to Junior Football to toughen them up and they did alright maybe we should try that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 We would borrow a lawnmower from someone’s dad and cut the grass ourselves. Then we’d nick a bag of sawdust from somewhere and put down lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JECK Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Top class player he was, stayed at rangers far too long and should have played in England or Europe for the majority of his career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonzo Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Can't disagree with what he's saying but can't see anything being done about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart87 Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 A lot of our heroes from the 60's and 70's were farmed out to Junior Football to toughen them up and they did alright maybe we should try that again. Sometimes I think people forget the 60s and 70s was 40-50 years ago. Football has changed enormously in that time. We shouldn't be looking back at what we did then. We should be looking at what successful smaller nations are doing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 We need more pitches where kids can play for free for hours on end without adults telling them when they can kick the ball. That can be later or separately - kids need to work out some problems for themselves and they need to be enjoying themselves. When it's a chore, it's game over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Hunt Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Sometimes I think people forget the 60s and 70s was 40-50 years ago. Football has changed enormously in that time. We shouldn't be looking back at what we did then. We should be looking at what successful smaller nations are doing now. Big fan of Ferguson the player and, whilst he may be right about Xbox, iPad etc, I am sure the Belgian, Icelandic and Welsh kids have them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahana-oni Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Slightly off topic but people aren't seriously touting Ryan Jack as an international player, or is it tongue in cheek? There must be 20 or 30 players ahead of him in pecking queue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted November 13, 2015 Author Share Posted November 13, 2015 Big fan of Ferguson the player and, whilst he may be right about Xbox, iPad etc, I am sure the Belgian, Icelandic and Welsh kids have them too. I think the point is the kids are bored with the football training on offer making them turn to the x-box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Sunnylaw Jag Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Sometimes I think people forget the 60s and 70s was 40-50 years ago. Football has changed enormously in that time. We shouldn't be looking back at what we did then. We should be looking at what successful smaller nations are doing now. Well it's back to basics for this man as a solution. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-34808346 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally boy 69 Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) Look at the weather we are getting over the next few weeks......good indoor facilities with decent "training" for young kids make it fun and the kids will want to go for a couple of hours....plenty of ball work to give basic skills it's not that hard to work out.....we need the money and the will to make it happen....hopefully strachan and mcclair will help to push it on but it's a long term programme no quick easy answer Edited November 14, 2015 by Ally boy 69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveheartGordon Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 People (ex-players) talk about youth development as if its a one dimensional, one-fix vehicle. Its a huge collection of processes starting from skill acquisition at 4,5,6 years old through to the first-team process at 18,19,20 years old. It might be true that certain clubs ''over-coach'' certain players at certain ages but suggesting this across the board is a huge generalization. Modern coaches have a different job now than in the past, because of changed lifestyles we have to recreate the environment that players gave themselves and allow them the missing touches in the skill acquisition phase. Just to mention a few fawcetts of it, we need to increase investment across the board through better sponsership. I would limit the number of players elite clubs can release post under 15's to change a culture of mass production as opposed to development. And finally roll out a ''Guided discovery'' coaching approach from the SFA, educating beginner coaches from level 1.1 through to the pro-license on turning players into problem solvers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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