ErsatzThistle Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 It's fecking scandalous - there should be an alternative oath for elected representatives who'd prefer a republic. Why should they have to lie or go against their principles or even not take up their seat? There are only about 30 monarchies in the world with all the other countries being republics, so it's not as if it's a totally wacky system for running a country. And Elizabeth Windsor is the monarch of 16 out of those 30(ish) countries ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 There's still a King of Yugoslavia even though the country doesn't exist anymore. Lives in London. Was a pretty slow day at work that led me to his Wikipedia page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) It's fecking scandalous - there should be an alternative oath for elected representatives who'd prefer a republic. Why should they have to lie or go against their principles or even not take up their seat? There are only about 30 monarchies in the world with all the other countries being republics, so it's not as if it's a totally wacky system for running a country. Some like Corbyn and Benn, and that other Newly elected Labour chappy add "under protest" to their affirmation or vow.Edit: I seem to remember years ago someone crossed their fingers and there was a bit of an uproar... There doesn't seem to be much uproar about adding "under protest", but we could expect to see that changed once the media start sharing Corbyns to show how much he hates the monarchy. Edit edit: Corbyns is: "under protest, I take the oath required of me by law.". The young fella elected in May said something like "under protest, I take this oath in order to serve my constituents" which I think was a nice touch. Edited September 16, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of Paisley Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Next you'll be telling us that there are No voters who still sing FoS. Plenty of the Barnton residing, well heeled, nawbag egg chasing fraternity at Murrayfield certainly have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 What I've seen is that it's some spokesperson said he'll sing it in the future. It's a pity Britain's Got Talent's not still on they could get him on stage to sing it, full Union Jack lightshow blazing away behind him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Whether folk sing an anthem shouldn't even be a discussion, it's ludicrous. Don't feed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPROAR Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 lets not forget its not an anthem in any official sense... not really clear what it is.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) I can assure you that Sturgeon is not a republican. I have no doubt that she would allow a vote on the matter if the people wanted one... But she would not support it.I can assure you if given the choice she would be. As would most of not all of the SNP leadership/politicians. Many of whom I've heard say as much.It's a tactic to not change too much. The more that stays constant the more chance of Independence. The gradual approach. It would add another aspect to the debate that we could do without. After independence it will be debated. Edited September 16, 2015 by iainmac1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I see the Duke of Wellington has just been elected to the House of Lords. http://www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-information-office/2015/Hereditary-peers-by-election-result-Luke.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I can assure you that Sturgeon is not a republican. I have no doubt that she would allow a vote on the matter if the people wanted one... But she would not support it. Ok, believe what you wish. Its not what i have been told, or even what she said to me , a guid few years back now, but from the horses mouth, she is a republican unless she has changed over the last 10 or so years. But if you can assure me than who knows... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I can assure you if given the choice she would be. As would most of not all of the SNP leadership/politicians. Many of whom I've heard say as much. It's a tactic to not change too much. The more that stays constant the more chance of Independence. The gradual approach. It would add another aspect to the debate that we could do without. After independence it will be debated. If that's true about Sturgeon, and you'll forgive me for doubting it, it's rather disappointing. There's nothing in her politics at all that suggest she's not a monarchist. There are plenty of SNP politicians who are out as republicans, Natalie McGarry & Tommy Shepard are two who have told me so with their mouths and I'm sure there are many more who are publicly known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Ok, believe what you wish. Its not what i have been told, or even what she said to me , a guid few years back now, but from the horses mouth, she is a republican unless she has changed over the last 10 or so years. But if you can assure me than who knows... ;-) Nicola Sturgeon told me in Beith that she favours Neoliberal economics from her own mouth... Many on here doubt this despite evidence to the contrary... And they're perfectly entitled to do so. There's no evidence whatsoever to your claim, so I'm sure you can forgive my doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I can assure you that Sturgeon is not a republican. I have no doubt that she would allow a vote on the matter if the people wanted one... But she would not support it. Any evidence to support that ? (its a pretty strong assurance) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Nicola Sturgeon told me in Beith that she favours Neoliberal economics from her own mouth... Many on here doubt this despite evidence to the contrary... And they're perfectly entitled to do so. There's no evidence whatsoever to your claim, so I'm sure you can forgive my doubt. OK, your evidence is she told you my evidence is she told me,,, yet my evidence is not counted and yours is. ( scunnereds logic ) She told me in 2005 she would vote for a republic, she told you she favours neo liberal politics ( wtf that has to do with republicanism is beyond me) but heyho SNP Bad is your mantra so she must be bad.,.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) Any evidence to support that ? (its a pretty strong assurance)Evidence? No. Sturgeon enjoys a lovely working relationship with the queen, a member of the privy council and is always very complimentary on the Monarchy's "public service" but above all is a populist and sadly a majority of Scots favour keeping the monarchy. OK, your evidence is she told you my evidence is she told me,,, yet my evidence is not counted and yours is. ( scunnereds logic ) She told me in 2005 she would vote for a republic, she told you she favours neo liberal politics ( wtf that has to do with republicanism is beyond me) but heyho SNP Bad is your mantra so she must be bad.,.. ... FFS Edited September 16, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 So when Jeremy becomes a member of the privy council he becomes a monarchist ? That how it works ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Poor Scunnered BBC Breaking News @BBCBreaking 11m11 minutes ago Jeremy Corbyn says he can't foresee situation where Labour under his leadership will campaign for Britain to leave EU http://bbc.in/1QGkHdl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 So when Jeremy becomes a member of the privy council he becomes a monarchist ? That how it works ? No. Poor Scunnered BBC Breaking News @BBCBreaking 11m11 minutes ago Jeremy Corbyn says he can't foresee situation where Labour under his leadership will campaign for Britain to leave EU http://bbc.in/1QGkHdl I'll wait until I see what the man has said himself first, but disappointing if true... There is a motion for it at Labour conference though so at the very least it will be debated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Evidence? No. Sturgeon enjoys a lovely working relationship with the queen, a member of the privy council and is always very complimentary on the Monarchy's "public service" but above all is a populist and sadly a majority of Scots favour keeping the monarchy. ... FFS There's actually quite a few republican politicians from the UK, Australia, New Zealand and Jamaica on the Privy Council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 There's actually quite a few republican politicians from the UK, Australia, New Zealand and Jamaica on the Privy Council. There is indeed... Corbyn: "I'm a republican" Natalie McGarry: "I'm a republican" Tommy Sheppard "I'm a republican" Sturgeon: "....". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtscotland Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Jeremy Corbyn - it is simply not good enough and disrespectful to "her majesty" not to sing God Save The Queen. The drones don't like it. They have been programmed and conditioned all their lives to worship the Queen. The BBC and the drones will constantly remind you did a very bad thing so best comply. Never forget that before you could sit as an MP you had to swear allegiance to her majesty. Our so-called democracy is designed to exclude those such as you with your republican views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 There is indeed... Natalie McGarry: "I'm a republican" Tommy Sheppard "I'm a republican" Neither are in the privy council Believe it is only Alex Salmond, Angus Robertson and Nicola Sturgeon from the SNP that are in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Neither are in the privy council Believe it is only Alex Salmond, Angus Robertson and Nicola Sturgeon from the SNP that are in it The SNP's George Reid and Tricia Marwick are also on it but purely because they have both held the office of speaker in the Scottish Parliament. SNP Westminster leader Donald Stewart was a Privy Councillor from 1977 until his death in 1992. It's also worth mentioning that Stewart was offered and turned down a peerage upon his retirement from the Commons in 1987. Dafydd Wigley (longtime friend and mentor of Alex Salmond) and Dafydd Elis-Thomas from Plaid Cymru are also on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Neither are in the privy council Believe it is only Alex Salmond, Angus Robertson and Nicola Sturgeon from the SNP that are in it I know... But both have said publicly that they're republicans despite being in a party that is not, that's to be respected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 It's a ridiculous anthem. I would never sing it. Being an atheist, republican, Scottish Nationalist, it literally means nothing to me. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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