biffer Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) I'm assuming Willet and Dunne will fall away, but part of that is about the normal pressure of a final day at the open. It won't be a normal day - crowds will be smaller, it might all feel a bit odd so it could be different. Edited July 19, 2015 by biffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) What would you need to do to be above average out of interest? Consistently playing well and winning Over 90% of professional golfers never win a tour event. You do know what the word "average" means don't you? See above Paul Lawrie does not consistently play well and rarely wins tournaments - Thats an average golfer in the world of professional golfers However i'm clearly wrong and i concede - Paul Lawrie is fooking amazing. Best golfer i have ever seen. Edited July 19, 2015 by Ally Bongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandydunn Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Not many players consistently win tournaments on any of the tours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Not many players consistently win tournaments on any of the tours. But there are many who are often at the top of the leaderboard and in with a chance - they are above average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Who is this Paula Dunne lassie who is winning, and why is she no at home making her man his tea ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 Consistently playing well and winning See above Paul Lawrie does not consistently play well and rarely wins tournaments - Thats an average golfer in the world of professional golfers However i'm clearly wrong and i concede - Paul Lawrie is fooking amazing. Best golfer i have ever seen. I'm guessing you are not a golfer? The vast majority of professional golfers never even qualify to play in a tour event never mind win one. The vast majority of golfers who earn the right to play in a tour event never win a tournament. More than half of them will never get into the top ten in any event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 Dunne done well to sink that putt on the 18th. That wisnae easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wembley67lisbon Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I Put a sizeable bet on oosti in April @ 50/1, so fingers crossed there. And il have a speculative punt on sneds to win his group. Best of luck to all Looks good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macy37 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 We can surely all agree that Lawrie is a miserable torn faced twat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 We can surely all agree that Lawrie is a miserable torn faced twat? Yes you're right he does support Aberdeen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I'm guessing you are not a golfer? The vast majority of professional golfers never even qualify to play in a tour event never mind win one. The vast majority of golfers who earn the right to play in a tour event never win a tournament. More than half of them will never get into the top ten in any event. I know how difficult it is but i am not comparing Lawrie to any old chump Compared to me and a great majority of golfers, Lawrie is in a totally different league - he is better than a good golfer. He wouldnt have a tour card if he wasnt. I accept that However i am talking about World professional Golf Lets have categories of golfer where everyone mentioned is at their peak World Class - Palmer, Nicklaus, Player, Watson, Ballesteros,Norman, Faldo, Price, Duval, Langer, Els, Harrington, Woods and provided they continue their progress McIlroy and Spieth. There are probably names i have missed but at some point in their career these players have over a lengthy period been ranked Number 1, held their form over a period of years and backed it up with major championships Top Class (again there will be a right few i will miss but to give an idea)- Lyle, Kite, Furyk, Trevino, Floyd, Lehman, Woosnam, Couples, Crenshaw, Olazabal, Singh,O'Meara, Garcia, Montgomerie, Rose If you agree with that line of thinking then Lawrie doesnt fit into any of those categories Im not even sure he would get into the next category down with likes of Clarke, Westwood, Azinger and dozens more We can surely all agree that Lawrie is a miserable torn faced twat? yes - blaming others for playing pish - a typical scottish trait ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Anyway .... Back to The Open Ive just checked the weather and it's forecast to get decidedly worse from around 1pm tomorrow Rain is forecast at that time and the wind is due to get up from what's forecast earlier Winds between 8-12mph and dry up to 1pm Rain from 1pm and winds to get up to 16-17mph - Heavy rain around 3pm With so many players in contention those quite far back at -4 like Mickelson might not be out of it yet if they can shoot a 65/66 and get in before the weather deteriorates Could definitely be the most exciting and open "open" finish ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wembley67lisbon Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Harrington has to be in with a shout if weather does deteriorate. Hope speith wins though. Be great to see a relative rookie win 4 majors in a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 You can get 7/4 that there will be a play off (2/5 there wont) With all thats gone on i think its almost certain that there will be especially with the way the scores are ...(famous last words) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 I know how difficult it is but i am not comparing Lawrie to any old chump Compared to me and a great majority of golfers, Lawrie is in a totally different league - he is better than a good golfer. He wouldnt have a tour card if he wasnt. I accept that However i am talking about World professional Golf Lets have categories of golfer where everyone mentioned is at their peak World Class - Palmer, Nicklaus, Player, Watson, Ballesteros,Norman, Faldo, Price, Duval, Langer, Els, Harrington, Woods and provided they continue their progress McIlroy and Spieth. There are probably names i have missed but at some point in their career these players have over a lengthy period been ranked Number 1, held their form over a period of years and backed it up with major championships Top Class (again there will be a right few i will miss but to give an idea)- Lyle, Kite, Furyk, Trevino, Floyd, Lehman, Woosnam, Couples, Crenshaw, Olazabal, Singh,O'Meara, Garcia, Montgomerie, Rose If you agree with that line of thinking then Lawrie doesnt fit into any of those categories Im not even sure he would get into the next category down with likes of Clarke, Westwood, Azinger and dozens more yes - blaming others for playing pish - a typical scottish trait ! So you are just comparing him to golfers that you have heard of? Do you know that the PGA of America currently has about 30,000 professional golfers as members? Any golfer who even qualifies to play in a major or even a tour event is much much better than average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) So you are just comparing him to golfers that you have heard of? Do you know that the PGA of America currently has about 30,000 professional golfers as members? Any golfer who even qualifies to play in a major or even a tour event is much much better than average. Oh ffs take aff the saltire specs ... you know the point i am making Edited July 19, 2015 by Ally Bongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Also thought Oosthuizen was and will be a terrific partner for Dunne You could see he was encouraging him today - im almost sure he would have celebrated when one of Dunne's long puts nearly dropped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I know how difficult it is but i am not comparing Lawrie to any old chump Compared to me and a great majority of golfers, Lawrie is in a totally different league - he is better than a good golfer. He wouldnt have a tour card if he wasnt. I accept that However i am talking about World professional Golf Lets have categories of golfer where everyone mentioned is at their peak World Class - Palmer, Nicklaus, Player, Watson, Ballesteros,Norman, Faldo, Price, Duval, Langer, Els, Harrington, Woods and provided they continue their progress McIlroy and Spieth. There are probably names i have missed but at some point in their career these players have over a lengthy period been ranked Number 1, held their form over a period of years and backed it up with major championships Top Class (again there will be a right few i will miss but to give an idea)- Lyle, Kite, Furyk, Trevino, Floyd, Lehman, Woosnam, Couples, Crenshaw, Olazabal, Singh,O'Meara, Garcia, Montgomerie, Rose If you agree with that line of thinking then Lawrie doesnt fit into any of those categories Im not even sure he would get into the next category down with likes of Clarke, Westwood, Azinger and dozens more yes - blaming others for playing pish - a typical scottish trait ! Nobody cares about how long someone is world number one, its a sideshow. What matters is if you've won the big tournaments, and you're listing players who e won one as world class and players who haven't won any as Top class. Completely arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Anyway .... Back to The Open Ive just checked the weather and it's forecast to get decidedly worse from around 1pm tomorrow Rain is forecast at that time and the wind is due to get up from what's forecast earlier Winds between 8-12mph and dry up to 1pm Rain from 1pm and winds to get up to 16-17mph - Heavy rain around 3pm With so many players in contention those quite far back at -4 like Mickelson might not be out of it yet if they can shoot a 65/66 and get in before the weather deteriorates Could definitely be the most exciting and open "open" finish ever Interesting. Forecast for tomorrow looks poor indeed. Can't remember too many Open finishes in shitey weather. Faldo's first win at Muirfield in 87 sticks in the memory, any others?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 (edited) Nobody cares about how long someone is world number one, its a sideshow. What matters is if you've won the big tournaments, and you're listing players who e won one as world class and players who haven't won any as Top class. Completely arbitrary. Where is Lawrie compared to any of those players in your opinion ? Absolutely nowhere near any of them is he ? And as for the World Class player (when at his peak) that has won only 1 major (Duval) his record in 98-99 leading up to the 2001 Open victory (along with his top 10 finishes in the US Masters and US PGA) has him as Number 8 in all time Golf Greats Edited July 19, 2015 by Ally Bongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Where is Lawrie compared to any of those players in your opinion ? Absolutely nowhere near any of them is he ? And as for the World Class player (when at his peak) that has won only 1 major (Duval) his record in 98-99 leading up to the 2001 Open victory (along with his top 10 finishes in the US Masters and US PGA) has him as Number 8 in all time Golf Greats What the hell is Golf Greats? Pretty easy to name twenty players better than Duval. And I didn't say Lawrie would be on a world class or top class list, just that yours is completely arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Anyway, I'm about to get the train to St Andrews. Looking forward to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biffer Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 This train is pretty empty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 What the hell is Golf Greats? A list compiled by folk who know more about golf than me or you and base things on more than say ....opinions Enjoy yer day - hope Lawrie doesnt have another stinker to back me up (again) ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 David Duval was certainly shaping up to become one of the greats. What happened to him?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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