usainboltyarocket Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 What percentage do you think would vote to get out/stay in? IMO England the only other actual country of the union would vote 30% yes, 70% no. NI, the north of Ireland despite the demographics changing their are still a good 20 years off from their country uniting as one again. 40% yes, 60% no. Wales is one of the few places in the world that isn't an independent country that wont even discuss the issue. Pretty sad IMO. That's what happens when Rugby is your lead sport. 18% yes, 72% no. I would prefer if Scotland where the country that dismantled this disgusting war mongering union of murder but I would take any of the others to do the damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newryrep Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Us- 50 years plus Wales - biggest county in England never yous - ten years might do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 What percentage do you think would vote to get out/stay in? IMO England the only other actual country of the union would vote 30% yes, 70% no. NI, the north of Ireland despite the demographics changing their are still a good 20 years off from their country uniting as one again. 40% yes, 60% no. Wales is one of the few places in the world that isn't an independent country that wont even discuss the issue. Pretty sad IMO. That's what happens when Rugby is your lead sport. 18% yes, 72% no. I would prefer if Scotland where the country that dismantled this disgusting war mongering union of murder but I would take any of the others to do the damage. I don't think you are too far off with those % totals! Especially the Welsh one. They have to be one of the most subservient "nations" around! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usainboltyarocket Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Wales 18% yes, 82% no(not 72) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Has Ireland ever been 'united' other than under British rule and a brief period under Brian Boru? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_walls Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I don't think you are too far off with those % totals! Especially the Welsh one. They have to be one of the most subservient "nations" around! Am I correct in saying that Scotland had a vote on devolution in the 70s and the people of Scotland said thanks but no thanks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Am I correct in saying that Scotland had a vote on devolution in the 70s and the people of Scotland said thanks but no thanks? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ANDYP Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 More than 50% voted yes but wasn't enough I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Am I correct in saying that Scotland had a vote on devolution in the 70s and the people of Scotland said thanks but no thanks? No. It was fixed (literally). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I'd be surprised if a Welsh 'Yes' vote was any higher than 10% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 What percentage do you think would vote to get out/stay in? IMO England the only other actual country of the union would vote 30% yes, 70% no. NI, the north of Ireland despite the demographics changing their are still a good 20 years off from their country uniting as one again. 40% yes, 60% no. Wales is one of the few places in the world that isn't an independent country that wont even discuss the issue. Pretty sad IMO. That's what happens when Rugby is your lead sport. 18% yes, 72% no. I would prefer if Scotland where the country that dismantled this disgusting war mongering union of murder but I would take any of the others to do the damage. You're kidding aren't you? The English Yes campaign would skoosh it (although I suspect the turn out would be pretty low). I'm with you on Wales and Northern Ireland though. In spite of doing a wonderful job of preserving their own language (with a little help from Mr Lloyd George) and culture, there seems to be little appetite for full independence in Wales. Then again, twenty years people were said the same about Scotland. Everything points to a possible reunification of Ireland, although from what I can gather enthusiasm for the idea seems to dropped off a little in the republic. Am I correct in saying that Scotland had a vote on devolution in the 70s and the people of Scotland said thanks but no thanks? Not quite. A small majority voted in favour of an assembly back in 1979 (essentially just a talking shop with only limited actual legislative powers) but thanks to a piece of last minute gerrymandering from anti-devolution MPs the turn-out was not significantly high enough for the vote to be carried. (A clause was tacked-on that a minimum of 40% of the total electorate must vote in favour of the assembly in order for a Yes vote to stand. As if that wasn't bad enough, they used out of date electoral records, meaning that people who had died and/or left Scotland were counted too.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flumax Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 No. It was fixed (literally). shocking really http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_devolution_referendum,_1979 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ANDYP Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I see glasgow has always been a yes city Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 My brother in law is from "The Valleys", we made a pact not to talk to each other about the referendum last year as it would be guaranteed to end up in a battle. Let's just say the thought of anyone leaving the Union was a completely alien concept to everyone in his circle of friends and family back down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_walls Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Didnt realise that. Pretty terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Thomas Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Got to agree with Scotlad here. The English would vote to be shut of all three of us given a chance, that's why we wonder why you never asked them to take part in the referendum - you would have been free now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Us- 50 years plus Wales - biggest county in England never yous - ten years might do it If and when Northern Ireland leaves the Union, do you think it will be as an independent state or will it be a case of reunification?I can't pretend to understand the intricacies of NI politics but it seems to me that an independent state might be a more attractive proposition to get a majority from both sides to get behind. Edited May 12, 2015 by aaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newryrep Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 If and when Northern Ireland leaves the Union, do you think it will be as an independent state or will it be a case of reunification? I can't pretend to understand the intricacies of NI politics but it seems to me that an independent state might be a more attractive proposition to get a majority from both sides to get behind. Doubt independence would be a serious runner though some in loyalist circles have toyed with the idea and Northern Irish is the current flavour of the month as a fall back position re identity My 50 years is reunionifaction along the lines of slowly boiling a frog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newryrep Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) . Edited May 12, 2015 by Newryrep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Endell Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 .A point I often make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watsoniansfan Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 What percentage do you think would vote to get out/stay in? IMO England the only other actual country of the union would vote 30% yes, 70% no. NI, the north of Ireland despite the demographics changing their are still a good 20 years off from their country uniting as one again. 40% yes, 60% no. Wales is one of the few places in the world that isn't an independent country that wont even discuss the issue. Pretty sad IMO. That's what happens when Rugby is your lead sport. 18% yes, 72% no. I would prefer if Scotland where the country that dismantled this disgusting war mongering union of murder but I would take any of the others to do the damage. No idea re percentages but if Scotland had voted Yes last year I think rUK would not have lasted very long after that. Wales has been constitutionally tied to England for yonks though so, who knows, maybe you'd see a Serbia&Montenegro-type arrangement for a while. If England went independent it's highly doubtful the other three would stay together as one. Remove Scotland from the Union and part of NI identity goes I think given historical links. Sure to be knock-on effects. I think part of the reason the union is always talked about in terms of Sco & Eng is because the post-Union futures of Wales and NI would be too complex to even contemplate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Mario Monti (ex Euro commissioner, ex technocrat PM of Italy) talked of 'double disintegration' on Newsnight last night - saying if UK exited EU, Scotland would be 'most likely' to leave the UK. However he didn't express an opinion on if Scotland could, in that circumstance, stay on in EU. (And Evan Davies didn't ask, but changed the subject...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YORKIE PAM Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 What percentage do you think would vote to get out/stay in? IMO England the only other actual country of the union would vote 30% yes, 70% no. NI, the north of Ireland despite the demographics changing their are still a good 20 years off from their country uniting as one again. 40% yes, 60% no. Wales is one of the few places in the world that isn't an independent country that wont even discuss the issue. Pretty sad IMO. That's what happens when Rugby is your lead sport. 18% yes, 72% no. I would prefer if Scotland where the country that dismantled this disgusting war mongering union of murder but I would take any of the others to do the damage. You're taking England as a whole whereas there are parts that want independence from the rest such as Yorkshire & Cornwall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 You're kidding aren't you? The English Yes campaign would skoosh it (although I suspect the turn out would be pretty low). I'm with you on Wales and Northern Ireland though. In spite of doing a wonderful job of preserving their own language (with a little help from Mr Lloyd George) and culture, there seems to be little appetite for full independence in Wales. Then again, twenty years people were said the same about Scotland. Everything points to a possible reunification of Ireland, although from what I can gather enthusiasm for the idea seems to dropped off a little in the republic. Not quite. A small majority voted in favour of an assembly back in 1979 (essentially just a talking shop with only limited actual legislative powers) but thanks to a piece of last minute gerrymandering from anti-devolution MPs the turn-out was not significantly high enough for the vote to be carried. (A clause was tacked-on that a minimum of 40% of the total electorate must vote in favour of the assembly in order for a Yes vote to stand. As if that wasn't bad enough, they used out of date electoral records, meaning that people who had died and/or left Scotland were counted too.) compare to last year, although YES got 45% of the vote, it was only 37% of the electorate. so even though yes won in 79, it was not considered enough.. if the same rules had applied and YES won last year, we would not have been allowed Indy ... so u can see what a con it was...... in 79... Brian Wilson is the man responsible for that.. A man i hold responsible for Thatcherism coming to our country... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 Brian Wilson is the man responsible for that.. A man i hold responsible for Thatcherism coming to our country... I thought it was George Cunningham MP?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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