SNP Indy Convention

[Hertsscot]

Setting off early tomorrow to go to Dundee. No idea really what to expect. Whether this is another event full of hot air or whether it can be a catalyst to get things going on.

 

[Ally Bongo]

3 minutes ago, Hertsscot said:

Setting off early tomorrow to go to Dundee. No idea really what to expect. Whether this is another event full of hot air or whether it can be a catalyst to get things going on.

 

Just take a couple of big signs with "BOO" and "RUBBISH" on them and hold them up often 

[hampden_loon2878]

Sad state of affairs we are struggling to get the numbers to fill the place 

[ParisInAKilt]

Mhairi Black 30 minutes into her “How the drag queens will lead us to independence” speech 

 

[aaid]

12 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Sad state of affairs we are struggling to get the numbers to fill the place 

Anyone else still unconvinced at this guy’s motives and agenda?

 

[Ally Bongo]

7 minutes ago, aaid said:

Anyone else still unconvinced at this guy’s motives and agenda?

 

How is was to how it's going ?

 

[aaid]

3 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

How is was to how it's going ?

 

Under Nicola Sturgeon’s leadership.  
 

Completely different sort of event, so a totally false comparison. 

[aaid]

Livestream for anyone interested. 
 

 

[Ally Bongo]

1 hour ago, aaid said:

Under Nicola Sturgeon’s leadership.  
 

Completely different sort of event, so a totally false comparison. 

Now here I go again, I see the crystal vision
I keep my visions to myself
But it's only me who wants to wrap around your dreams, and
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell, dreams of loneliness?

Like a heartbeat, drives you mad
In the stillness of remembering what you had
And what you lost
And what you had
Ooh, what you lost

[Ally Bongo]

Pathetic

 

[ParisInAKilt]

Don’t be pessimistic, litter pickups, coffee mornings and flag waving can’t help but get us over the line 

[aaid]

41 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said:

Pathetic

 

What's your shortcut then?

[Hertsscot]

18 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Sad state of affairs we are struggling to get the numbers to fill the place 

I was torn AUOB in Stirling which would have been closer and cheaper and less time consuming or Dundee.

[Hertsscot]

On the train back. Generally encouraged as I didn't necessarily have high particularly hopes. All the speeches in the morning were good, contributions from members a bit of a mixed bag but that is to be expected. Positives for me is the intent to make independence the no 1 priority for the next GE and calls for unity amongst Yes campaigners. On a personal note, bumped into an old friend who'd moved up here a few years back, so that was a pleasant surprise.

[hampden_loon2878]

21 hours ago, aaid said:

Under Nicola Sturgeon’s leadership.  
 

Completely different sort of event, so a totally false comparison. 

Let’s not kid anyone, that was the legacy of salmond 

[aaid]

1 hour ago, hampden_loon2878 said:

Let’s not kid anyone, that was the legacy of salmond 

Alastair Campbell would be proud of that spin. 

[stocky]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/25/snp-scotland-labour-tories-scottish.

 

Interesting wee article 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/25/snp-scotland-labour-tories-scottish

 

Edited June 25, 2023 by stocky

[AlfieMoon]

I’ve only read the BBC summary.  
 

Has Humza basically said we win the election and ask for indyref - exact same as now? 

[aaid]

40 minutes ago, stocky said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/25/snp-scotland-labour-tories-scottish.

 

Interesting wee article 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/25/snp-scotland-labour-tories-scottish

 

Anglosplaining nonsense from a metropolitan commentator, not far from the surface there’s an undercurrent of too wee, too poor, too stupid.  

The problem with these guys is that they look at this as a “problem” from the UK - read English - perspective and don’t understand the mindset of the Scots.

What they don't understand is that for the English, the UK and an England are essentially the same the thing.  In Scotland, the UK and Scotland are two distinct and separate entities and where there is support in Scotland for the Union it has always been conditional.

 

[aaid]

11 minutes ago, AlfieMoon said:

I’ve only read the BBC summary.  
 

Has Humza basically said we win the election and ask for indyref - exact same as now? 

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, and the old boss before that.

[TDYER63]

19 hours ago, Hertsscot said:

On the train back. Generally encouraged as I didn't necessarily have high particularly hopes. All the speeches in the morning were good, contributions from members a bit of a mixed bag but that is to be expected. Positives for me is the intent to make independence the no 1 priority for the next GE and calls for unity amongst Yes campaigners. On a personal note, bumped into an old friend who'd moved up here a few years back, so that was a pleasant surprise.

Glad you enjoyed it. I had hoped to go but my daughter graduated during the week and had a party yesterday. You should try and join the Business for Scotland online conventions, I felt more optimistic after the last one I joined.

 

48 minutes ago, stocky said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/25/snp-scotland-labour-tories-scottish.

 

Interesting wee article 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/25/snp-scotland-labour-tories-scottish

 

From that piece.
British author can see what the other half this country cant.

 

 

[AlfieMoon]

Just now, aaid said:

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, and the old boss before that.

So no strategy for independence then other than continuing to make a load of noise. 

[aaid]

2 minutes ago, AlfieMoon said:

So no strategy for independence then other than continuing to make a load of noise. 

That’s not quite what I am saying.  However if you’re prepared to give me a different option then I’m all ears.

[ParisInAKilt]

Just one more mandate 

[aaid]

7 minutes ago, TDYER63 said:

Glad you enjoyed it. I had hoped to go but my daughter graduated during the week and had a party yesterday. You should try and join the Business for Scotland online conventions, I felt more optimistic after the last one I joined.

 

From that piece.
British author can see what the other half this country cant.

 

 

There’s a number of things that are wrong with that analysis.

It is planted directly in the “GERS” space which as we know is highly controversial measure which in itself has lots of things wrong with it.

The UK is not by any definition a poor country - it may not be a well off as some people think but it’s not poor.  

Using GDP per capita, which would be the best measure of a nations economic health,  Scotlands GDP is £33, 033 compared to the UK’s £33, 703.

In fact, it’s only when you drill into these numbers and also those in the GERS space that you see how unbalanced the UK economy actually is.  London - massively - and the South East “out-perform” all other regions and nations of the UK and “subsidise” everyone else - I use those terms advisedly.

Emigration has been going on for centuries, not decades.

The only part he gets right is that Scotland’s resources have been plundered.  Since the 1970s and North Sea oil, that’s been to prop up the UK Treasury and Kier Starmer is planning to continue that with renewables.