aaid Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 Just now, Ally Bongo said: Not when it's this bill So your support for Holyrood is conditional on whether or not you agree with the legislation it passes or thinks it’s important. Great, at least we known now. Should we just stop any pretence here and just leave it up to Westminster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 38 minutes ago, Hertsscot said: I do feel that is legitimate, my worry though is that is not what the media are going to report or most people are going to hear. I suspect they're just going to hear SNP wastes money on unpopular bill during cost of living crisis. I agree, but when we start kowtowing to the media the games a bogey for sure. Regardless of what someone feels personally about the bill , the hard fact is Westminster have totally undermined our parliament and in turn our democracy. Its up to every single person who cares anything at all about that to get that message out . It might not be something they agree with on this occasion but next time it might. Its along the same underlying principles of the ‘First they came ‘ poem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 Interesting editing of this story on Reporting Scotland compared to the BBC news. Both opened their pieces with Alison Johnston announcing the result of the vote, BBC News then had the supporters of the bill cheering, Reporting Scotland on the other hand had some crafty editing with them cutting that part out but then having the GC activists booing and shouting in protest. Pretty obvious how each editor wanted to frame the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, aaid said: So your support for Holyrood is conditional on whether or not you agree with the legislation it passes or thinks it’s important. Great, at least we known now. Should we just stop any pretence here and just leave it up to Westminster. The pretence is thinking that Holyrood is able to pass any legislation it likes under devolution It has been made obvious Westminster can block anything they like and the only way to get around it is Independence That is the red herring here Also the mobile home SNP battle bus is the biggest load of crap since the finances & membership lies I knew that before Wings investigated it https://wingsoverscotland.com/when-youre-already-gone/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, aaid said: So your support for Holyrood is conditional on whether or not you agree with the legislation it passes or thinks it’s important. Great, at least we known now. Should we just stop any pretence here and just leave it up to Westminster. aside from my view on the GRR, it’s laughable that Humzah is taking this to court. The public doesn’t want it! the more time goes on the more you see what a bunch of incompetents that we are dealing with. It’s like Derek Hatton and Ken Livingstone somehow got elected to run the UK. id rather we shut down the parliament than deal with fools like the current snp and the greens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 We have no way of knowing what the public want, outwith a referendum. What we do know is their representatives voted overwhelmingly cross-party for it. However... None of this is the point though, the bill is irrelevant. It's the constitutional integrity of who get's to make the decisions that is the issue. Arguing about the "popularity" of the bill misses the bigger picture completely imo. It's myopic thinking to be like I don't like this or it's not popular. The bigger issue is the integrity of decision making in Scotland. Now if you're an "unionist" ofc then that doens't bother you, in which case fire on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 3 hours ago, aaid said: Who do you mean by “us”? Aberdeen FC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 26 minutes ago, aaid said: Interesting editing of this story on Reporting Scotland compared to the BBC news. Both opened their pieces with Alison Johnston announcing the result of the vote, BBC News then had the supporters of the bill cheering, Reporting Scotland on the other hand had some crafty editing with them cutting that part out but then having the GC activists booing and shouting in protest. Pretty obvious how each editor wanted to frame the story. You actually personify everything that is wrong with the SNP and why we are going to get hammered at the next election, I see you are picking up the HQ orders,, take the attention away from the “alleged” corruption and run with a massively unpopular legislation, like that’s going work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, phart said: We have no way of knowing what the public want, outwith a referendum. What we do know is their representatives voted overwhelmingly cross-party for it. However... None of this is the point though, the bill is irrelevant. It's the constitutional integrity of who get's to make the decisions that is the issue. Arguing about the "popularity" of the bill misses the bigger picture completely imo. It's myopic thinking to be like I don't like this or it's not popular. The bigger issue is the integrity of decision making in Scotland. Now if you're an "unionist" ofc then that doens't bother you, in which case fire on. We already know who gets to make the decisions - and it isn't Holyrood But we will spend a few million on legal fees to find out again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 Rab @Rab_Dickson1 Bute House: 'Ok...first...we ARE now going ahead with that legal challenge' 'Second...make up a name for a job I can give to a pal's wife....good salary mind' 'Get out there and tell the faithful it's business as usual' 'And get James Dornan to say something really dim' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeedom Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 The answer to our problems is independence, if only we had a competent government that would focus on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 Just now, Ally Bongo said: Rab @Rab_Dickson1 Bute House: 'Ok...first...we ARE now going ahead with that legal challenge' 'Second...make up a name for a job I can give to a pal's wife....good salary mind' 'Get out there and tell the faithful it's business as usual' 'And get James Dornan to say something really dim' Rab Dickson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: You actually personify everything that is wrong with the SNP and why we are going to get hammered at the next election, I see you are picking up the HQ orders,, take the attention away from the “alleged” corruption and run with a massively unpopular legislation, like that’s going work HQ orders, ha, ha, ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 34 minutes ago, aaid said: Rab Dickson? Rather than plagiarise someone elses wit i gave him credit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Ally Bongo said: We already know who gets to make the decisions - and it isn't Holyrood But we will spend a few million on legal fees to find out again You've completely ignored the point @phart is making Is that convenient? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Malcolm said: id rather we shut down the parliament than deal with fools like the current snp and the greens. We know you would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 1 hour ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Aberdeen FC Is that a joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 29 minutes ago, Redz said: You've completely ignored the point @phart is making Is that convenient? Apart from my interpretation I must have missed it Enlighten me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Apart from my interpretation I must have missed it Enlighten me Your interpretation is dismissive, and permitting WM to ride all over a devolved issue What is thought of the bill is irrelevant, which is how phart positioned it I agree with him Edited April 12, 2023 by Redz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 I support the Scottish govt taking a stand on westminster blocking a bill supported by our Parliament. I just wish it was over something that had more public support. Can't say it gets my juices going one way or another. The credibility of the party has gone. It's infighting and looks weak. Those parties don't win elections never mind nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, Redz said: Your interpretation is dismissive, and permitting WM to ride all over a devolved issue What is thought of the bill is irrelevant, which is how phart positioned it I agree with him Dismissive and resigned based on the realisation that we are technically a colony and Westminster's actions, in conjunction with their Supreme Court, confirming it. The bill is irrelevant because it means nothing to me personally If Holyrood was taking Westminster to court over a referendum again i would be making the same point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redz Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ally Bongo said: Dismissive and resigned based on the realisation that we are technically a colony and Westminster's actions, in conjunction with their Supreme Court, confirming it. The bill is irrelevant because it means nothing to me personally If Holyrood was taking Westminster to court over a referendum again i would be making the same point Fair enough I'm not prepared to give up though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 Who is paying for this pointless legal challenge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Malcolm said: Who is paying for this pointless legal challenge? You are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Redz said: Fair enough I'm not prepared to give up though I havent and will never give up on Independence but i have given up on asking Westminster for anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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