exile Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 9 hours ago, aaid said: People who get banned from Internet forums and then create new accounts and continue the behaviour that got them banned are sad individuals who are more to be pitied than scorned. Maybe not such an unpopular opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) Russians are ace. They took the face slapping championship up a level. Edited June 11, 2019 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 14 hours ago, Pocketrocketman1888 said: Hardly banning behaviour to have a differing opinion on womans football / it appears that the rest of the country has been brainwashed into thinking its the dogs baws but that 2nd jamaican goal would have embarassed a primary school team Who was banned for having a different opinion on woman’s footballs? id be willing to bet that not why they have been banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 People are banned on here too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) Kicked out of class for saying there are only 2 genders apparently Edited June 15, 2019 by ParisInAKilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Here is the video unedited and without all the fluff.. "It is National Schools Authority Policy..." 1m 20s (that there are not two genders). Is this correct? Is this a Scottish Government driven thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, ParisInAKilt said: Kicked out of class for saying there are only 2 genders apparently He should keep his culture wars out of the class room. Teacher under paid with fuck all resources getting shit from parents etc when not following the curriculum has to deal with the classroom "scientist" (who probably can't solve a quadratic equation) spouts the talking points of one side of American culture war. The pupils twitter is almost exclusively shit about in America and race war, culture war stuff. Edited June 15, 2019 by phart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 the only reason i know about this is I went to the other business section of an American MMA site and all the mentalists in there were posting about this and saying how bad it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, phart said: He should keep his culture wars out of the class room. Maybe the teacher should first. He was disagreeing after the teacher said there were more than two. Why are you chastising the pupil, a child, to keep his culture wars out the classroom and not the paid professional? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, thplinth said: Maybe the teacher should first. He was disagreeing after the teacher said there were more than two. Why are you chastising the pupil, a child, to keep his culture wars out the classroom and not the paid professional? Where is the video of what was said in the class. I'm commenting on what i saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, phart said: He should keep his culture wars out of the class room. Teacher under paid with fuck all resources getting shit from parents etc when not following the curriculum has to deal with the classroom "scientist" (who probably can't solve a quadratic equation) spouts the talking points of one side of American culture war. Isn’t it more than an American culture war when it’s making its way into school curriculum in different parts of the world? Without knowing more context to the incident, I’m not sure kicking the kid out of the class for wrongthink is the best way to deal with the situation. Although I do have sympathy with the teacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Well let's see the Curriculum then. Instead of half a story videos, let's see what is taught or is it just a rush to outrage about poor children etc maudlin levels set to overload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, phart said: Well let's see the Curriculum then. Instead of half a story videos, let's see what is taught or is it just a rush to outrage about poor children etc maudlin levels set to overload. The teacher said it himself, unless he is mistaken or has a personal interest in this. But I’ll have a look online shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Watch the vid i posted, he says it clearly. 20 secs on...There are more than two genders he said and this kid has been chucked out for saying no that is incorrect in the class and not backing down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 OK transcript from 20 seconds on Ok at 24 he says there are more than one gender. What's wrong with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, phart said: OK transcript from 20 seconds on Ok at 24 he says there are more than one gender. What's wrong with that? The more than two gender part is mentioned after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 So they got into a rammy about whether there are more than 2 genders, which there are depending on who's definition you pick. A teenager taking an absolutist position in a class-room about concepts he poorly understands happens everyday in Teaching (I know i saw). Not sure why this is a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, phart said: So they got into a rammy about whether there are more than 2 genders, which there are depending on who's definition you pick. A teenager taking an absolutist position in a class-room about concepts he poorly understands happens everyday in Teaching (I know i saw). Not sure why this is a big deal. Probably because 20 years ago you wouldn’t have got kicked out of class for saying there was only 2 genders. Mind you my history teacher kicked me out the class for asking the date so maybe it’s not a big deal ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, phart said: OK transcript from 20 seconds on Ok at 24 he says there are more than one gender. What's wrong with that? I think he means say two not one in the heat of the argument. Saying one does not actually make a lot of sense as who would disagree. He later says just a few seconds after 37s in your your opinion there is only two and that is not very inclusive... it is obvious from the whole argument that he means more than two and the boy is saying only two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 13 hours ago, phart said: Well let's see the Curriculum then. Instead of half a story videos, let's see what is taught or is it just a rush to outrage about poor children etc maudlin levels set to overload. There’s this https://www.gov.scot/news/lgbti-education/ From reading this I can see why the teacher acted like he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 19 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Probably because 20 years ago you wouldn’t have got kicked out of class for saying there was only 2 genders. Mind you my history teacher kicked me out the class for asking the date so maybe it’s not a big deal ha. 40 years ago you got thrashed with the belt and told to shut the fuck up for disagreeing with the teacher. Pupils have never had it so good at schools these days from an open and inclusive perspective. I havent seen the video in the classroom so cannot comment on this incident specifically but I imagine the teacher is trying to open the minds of the pupils from the traditional 2 genders and and this guy is constantly dragging it back to his set way of thinking. If he was holding the lesson back then IMO he should be kicked out, as Phart says there are limited resources and modules have to be covered in a set period of time. But without seeing what actually happened in the class I don't really think anyone can make an informed opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I got the belt a few times including once at primary school. Kids today have no idea as I had no idea... I don't think anyone objects to or even gives a fuck about anyone promoting tolerance and 'inclusivity'. Nearly every one would agree with that. But teaching that there are more than two genders... is that not factually incorrect, total bullshit. So why should people put up with this nonsense? It is great we are all tolerant but does that mean we have to start accepting intellectual gobbledygook? Not just accepting it but having it rammed down your throat at the threat of 'exclusion'... how ironic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 3 hours ago, TDYER63 said: 40 years ago you got thrashed with the belt and told to shut the fuck up for disagreeing with the teacher. Pupils have never had it so good at schools these days from an open and inclusive perspective. I havent seen the video in the classroom so cannot comment on this incident specifically but I imagine the teacher is trying to open the minds of the pupils from the traditional 2 genders and and this guy is constantly dragging it back to his set way of thinking. If he was holding the lesson back then IMO he should be kicked out, as Phart says there are limited resources and modules have to be covered in a set period of time. But without seeing what actually happened in the class I don't really think anyone can make an informed opinion. Granted it’s only a short clip but I don’t get the impression the teacher is interested in opening minds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 2 hours ago, thplinth said: I got the belt a few times including once at primary school. Kids today have no idea as I had no idea... I don't think anyone objects to or even gives a fuck about anyone promoting tolerance and 'inclusivity'. Nearly every one would agree with that. But teaching that there are more than two genders... is that not factually incorrect, total bullshit. So why should people put up with this nonsense? It is great we are all tolerant but does that mean we have to start accepting intellectual gobbledygook? Not just accepting it but having it rammed down your throat at the threat of 'exclusion'... how ironic. It's all about definitions. Definitions change over time. There are lots of reasons why definitions change. In science it's often because we have more data and information based on research. But it can also be just because attitudes of society change. Lots of scientific discussion gets bogged down arguing about definitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 2 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Granted it’s only a short clip but I don’t get the impression the teacher is interested in opening minds. I'm not sure that teaching ever has been about "opening minds". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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