andyD Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 17 hours ago, bonny78 said: Has come back to haunt the old team. Lucky not to lose the game but not winning that in 90 min has really killed our hopes. our hopes have been killed? how? qualification is entirely in our own hands. win 2 games and we make the playoffs. at the start of the group, the playoffs was the realistic best case, so.. killed our hopes? 10 points from 12.. killed our hopes? must be the full moon that caused this thread tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 Its showing where we fked up. Win home games v minos and we d be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyD Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 12 minutes ago, bonny78 said: Its showing where we fked up. Win home games v minos and we d be fine. Would we? Really? We'd have 2 more points from the Lithuania game.. putting us on 16, with Slovakia on 15 still. Slovakia will beat Malta to go up to 18. We'd need to at least draw against them and to beat Solvenia to qualify. How is that "we'd be fine"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, andyD said: Would we? Really? We'd have 2 more points from the Lithuania game.. putting us on 16, with Slovakia on 15 still. Slovakia will beat Malta to go up to 18. We'd need to at least draw against them and to beat Solvenia to qualify. How is that "we'd be fine"? The word DRAW you used there. Much better position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 hour ago, ankles said: Exactly. Made the same monumental feck up by not playing Griffiths in all the games of this campaign. To be fair to him Griffiths wasn't featuring much for Celtic last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexico Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 26 minutes ago, bonny78 said: The word DRAW you used there. Much better position. Slovakia is where we will have really ####ed up in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mexico said: Slovakia is where we will have really ####ed up in reality. Indeed. Think we've became accustomed to losing to our direct rivals away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 Losing away to Slovakia is not exactly a shock is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, bonny78 said: Losing away to Slovakia is not exactly a shock is it? No, think that's the point though. Similar to Dublin when we didn't go for the win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmcca5 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 At the start of the campaign a home win of 3-0 and an away draw wouldn't have been seen as that poor. Scotland did it the other way round. Hay ho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyD Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 hour ago, bonny78 said: The word DRAW you used there. Much better position. "we'd be fine" a draw is still a bit ask, and you could even argue that needing the win gives us clarity of purpose. none of that indecision around "well a draw would be good enough" and so people end up playing for one, which is incredibly dangerous. anyway.. life might be a tiny bit easier had we beaten lithuania at home, but ultimately a draw and a win in the last two is a pretty big ask. much like 2 wins is a big ask. so the idea that somehow that lithuania result is echoing thru our campaign and has killed our chances it frankly ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 Ok if u like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 6 hours ago, ParisInAKilt said: Indeed. Think we've became accustomed to losing to our direct rivals away. Apart from Poland, Ireland and Croatia you mean? And hopefully Slovenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 Praying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 8 hours ago, andyD said: our hopes have been killed? how? qualification is entirely in our own hands. win 2 games and we make the playoffs. at the start of the group, the playoffs was the realistic best case, so.. killed our hopes? 10 points from 12.. killed our hopes? must be the full moon that caused this thread tbh. Do you expect anything else from this buffoon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted September 6, 2017 Author Share Posted September 6, 2017 36 minutes ago, Texas Pete said: Do you expect anything else from this buffoon? Strachen?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Pete Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 1 minute ago, bonny78 said: Strachen?? If that's your surname then aye. It's certainly not how you spell Strachan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 This. Even malta got a draw with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Abysmal result considering how easy the away game was. It did cost qualification aswell. It's o.k bring up the England game but Scotland took 1/6 out of the two games v England. Slovakia took 0. Scotland took 4 points off Slovenia, Slovakia took 3. Both beat each other. Slovakia took 6 points v Lithuania. To me for a team to qualify you simply have to take 12 points off the pot 5 and 6 teams to qualify. It becomes too tricky otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassrubber Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 We are out because we couldn’t hold on for a couple of minutes against the most over rated team on the planet at Hampden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironbrew Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 45 minutes ago, Brassrubber said: We are out because we couldn’t hold on for a couple of minutes against the most over rated team on the planet at Hampden Agreed. We didn`t deserve to beat Lithuania at Hampden in fact we were lucky to get a point but throwing away 2 points against England at Hampden (even if undeserved over 90 minutes) was avoidable even if Slovenia also lost a late goal at Wembley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weekevie04 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Would we have beaten Slovenia, Sloakia, Lithuania (a) and drawn with England if we had beaten Lithuania at Hampden? I doubt it somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Chris Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, weekevie04 said: Would we have beaten Slovenia, Sloakia, Lithuania (a) and drawn with England if we had beaten Lithuania at Hampden? I doubt it somehow. 6 points from the first two would've been a very strong start psychologically. Worth noting that Slovakia lost their first two so having to make up 6 points would've been tough for them. Simply Lithuania are a poor team and not getting the full 6 off them was criminal. Slovakia did and they still have a chance of play offs if results go their way tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonny78 Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 Raging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenmcn Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 I can't believe this is even up for debate for some people. Irrelevant of whether we should or shouldn't have won against Lithuania on the night, the fact we didn't beat the second worse team in the group, a team incapable of winning in Malta, cost us the play offs. People can moan about the England game but at the start of the campaign if you were asked what was more likely, drawing at home to Lithuania or drawing to England, what do you think the general answer would have been? Quite simply, if we'd been Lithuania at Hampden we're in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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