Rab The Crab Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, Rossy said: Despite being pretty much universally acknowledged as one of the stand out players in Scotland over the last 2 years ? I presume you've never seen him play ? Universally acknowledged aye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wembley67lisbon Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 41 minutes ago, Rossy said: Chuck in James Forrest getting constantly picked and people wonder why so many have given up their SSC membership and now have little more than a passing interest in Scotland games. Strachan and McGhee have killed the fanbase in a way that Levein was never able to do. To be fair to Forrest he's been really good this season so far. Rogers has certainly managed to get the best out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 21 minutes ago, Rab The Crab said: Universally acknowledged aye? Pretty much, aye. Is there an echo in here ? 6 minutes ago, wembley67lisbon said: To be fair to Forrest he's been really good this season so far. Rogers has certainly managed to get the best out of him. I'll give you that. He's been laughably rank for Scotland for years now. Also awful for Celtic for the last couple of years, yet bafflingly still managed to get picked by Strachan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 43 minutes ago, Third Lanark said: Darren Fletch was ever-present for WBA last season:cannot believe no one is picking him here. Captain by a streetlength; Snoddy as vice captain. Easily my choice for Captain. He has been for years (when fit) above Brown too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 58 minutes ago, Rossy said: Despite being pretty much universally acknowledged as one of the stand out players in Scotland over the last 2 years ? I presume you've never seen him play ? Mostly by Aberdeen fans. Others are more objective and acknowledge his skills without making him out to be Maldini or Bale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 12 minutes ago, fringo said: Mostly by Aberdeen fans. Others are more objective and acknowledge his skills without making him out to be Maldini or Bale. Aye, because that's what Aberdeen fans do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 hour ago, dandydunn said: Shinnie doesn't play left back Which is a shame as it's his best position. If only there were 2 Shinnies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 28 minutes ago, Rossy said: Aye, because that's what Aberdeen fans do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noctonjock Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Forrest has had a good start to a season thats all . One good start doesn't merit a constant call up .better players Imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempre Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Shinnie is capable of playing right back, and has done so in some big games for Caley Thistle - namely their winning Scottish Cup run. Obviously it remains to be seen if he could do it at international level, but we've had four friendlies in the last few months where we could have tried him and maybe someone else out at right back to see what they could offer. Even just in training. But Strachan would rather go with Hutton and Paterson, two players out of form, than try anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 In Strachan's defence, he obviously doesn't see McCormack or Rhodes as long term (or short term) solutions, and therefore not worth spending time developing. That being said, they should both be in there ahead of Chris Martin. But it might have been better dropping a striker for another young prospect in another position for the experience. E.g Ryan Fraser or Stephen Kingsley As for the likes of Hutton and Greer. We have a serious lack of options in their department. Going for experience is understandable when there are no decent replacements. This is the first time in years that Forrest has justified his inclusion, so i think, for once, we should get off his back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 7 hours ago, Sempre said: Shinnie is capable of playing right back, and has done so in some big games for Caley Thistle - namely their winning Scottish Cup run. Obviously it remains to be seen if he could do it at international level, but we've had four friendlies in the last few months where we could have tried him and maybe someone else out at right back to see what they could offer. Even just in training. But Strachan would rather go with Hutton and Paterson, two players out of form, than try anything. Strachan has been arrogant and blinkered all his footballing career, and he's no different now in his failed experiment of being Scotland manager. I think we've all long accepted that he has favourite players who will get picked no matter how poorly they play for club and country, and he has other players that no matter how good their form, he'll simply refuse to pick. That's how he is. There was a newspaper article during the Euro's where it was correctly pointed out that if McGovern, Magennis and McGinn were Scottish, they would be nowhere near the Scotland set-up, because they play for the wrong clubs. Equally, if Rooney and Hayes were Scottish, would Strachan pick them ? Probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 56 minutes ago, Rossy said: Strachan has been arrogant and blinkered all his footballing career, and he's no different now in his failed experiment of being Scotland manager. I think we've all long accepted that he has favourite players who will get picked no matter how poorly they play for club and country, and he has other players that no matter how good their form, he'll simply refuse to pick. That's how he is. There was a newspaper article during the Euro's where it was correctly pointed out that if McGovern, Magennis and McGinn were Scottish, they would be nowhere near the Scotland set-up, because they play for the wrong clubs. Equally, if Rooney and Hayes were Scottish, would Strachan pick them ? Probably not. *Because we have better players in their positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan blood Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rossy said: Strachan has been arrogant and blinkered all his footballing career, and he's no different now in his failed experiment of being Scotland manager. I think we've all long accepted that he has favourite players who will get picked no matter how poorly they play for club and country, and he has other players that no matter how good their form, he'll simply refuse to pick. That's how he is. There was a newspaper article during the Euro's where it was correctly pointed out that if McGovern, Magennis and McGinn were Scottish, they would be nowhere near the Scotland set-up, because they play for the wrong clubs. Equally, if Rooney and Hayes were Scottish, would Strachan pick them ? Probably not. "Because they play for the wrong clubs". There are soooo many examples as to why that is wrong. If he was biased towards premier league teams and Celtic, then why does he never call up Adam, Bardsley, Arfield (previously), Armstrong, GMS, Fraser, Kingsley and some good players from the championship (McCormack etc)? He also picks players from Hearts and Hibs. Strachan picks players based on ability. Something that almost all past managers going back to Vogts haven't done. I.e fill the squad with old firm players and premier league bench warmers. Whether you agree with his perception on ability or not is irrelevant. Maloney would be in the squad if he was just picking his favourites Edited August 23, 2016 by Tartan blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 23, 2016 Author Share Posted August 23, 2016 14 hours ago, Rab The Crab said: So inexplicable that he explained why they didn't make the squad. Maloney needs games, Rhodes and McCormack are obviously similar to Griffiths in his opinion and he's gone for him and well, in the case of Shinnie it's pretty obvious, he's probably 6th choice left back after Robertson, Tierney, Kingsley, Forsyth and Wallace. Agree or not, those are the facts. Maloney needs games? if thats his excuse why did he always pick the now useless Hutton when he wasn't getting games? Why is Any picked despite playing about 3 minutes of football so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassrubber Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 A hoof free squad - in Gord we trust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudScot Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 13 hours ago, Rossy said: Despite being pretty much universally acknowledged as one of the stand out players in Scotland over the last 2 years ? I presume you've never seen him play ? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Maloney needs games? if thats his excuse why did he always pick the now useless Hutton when he wasn't getting games? Why is Any picked despite playing about 3 minutes of football so far? Hutton was actually pretty decent for Scotland during the period that he was frozen out at Villa, probably one of our better players at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 23, 2016 Author Share Posted August 23, 2016 Just now, aaid said: Hutton was actually pretty decent for Scotland during the period that he was frozen out at Villa, probably one of our better players at that time. really? during that time he was caught out of position more times than I care to count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab The Crab Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 22 minutes ago, vanderark14 said: Maloney needs games? if thats his excuse why did he always pick the now useless Hutton when he wasn't getting games? Why is Any picked despite playing about 3 minutes of football so far? You did watch the press conference aye? He said some people need games and some don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Does Charlie Adam never get a look in now? He plays fairly regularly with a decent Premiership team. When he's on form he's a great player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarky1606 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 STRACHAN OUT that is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 23, 2016 Author Share Posted August 23, 2016 29 minutes ago, Rab The Crab said: You did watch the press conference aye? He said some people need games and some don't. What was his justification for that statement? I think Strachan just opens his mouth and lets his stomach rumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 1 hour ago, vanderark14 said: really? during that time he was caught out of position more times than I care to count. The period I'm talking about is the first year or so when Strachan first took over, things were on the up and we had a string of good results. The manager could obviously see it even if you couldn't. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-gordon-strachan-alan-6310736 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted August 23, 2016 Author Share Posted August 23, 2016 18 minutes ago, aaid said: The period I'm talking about is the first year or so when Strachan first took over, things were on the up and we had a string of good results. The manager could obviously see it even if you couldn't. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-gordon-strachan-alan-6310736 Oh!! thats ok then. Strachan thinks he's good, I will change my opinion completely because strachan praised him publicly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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