TartanJon Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 *SPOILER* I can't get away from the fact they said her throat had been slit and she was stabbed yet there was no blood anywhere in a room that was last tidied up around 1964 The boy wasn't the full Bob Dylan and the OB certainly played him like a fiddle. As I said I can't get away from how convinced of their innocence the lawyers were and they were the only guys playing with a full deck in the whole documentary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Just finished too. No way the guy's guilty. Kratz is a slimy khunt, as proved by the revelations that surfaced afterwards. The police were desperate to get him and they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 *SPOILER* I can't get away from the fact they said her throat had been slit and she was stabbed yet there was no blood anywhere in a room that was last tidied up around 1964 The boy wasn't the full Bob Dylan and the OB certainly played him like a fiddle. As I said I can't get away from how convinced of their innocence the lawyers were and they were the only guys playing with a full deck in the whole documentary. That was Brendan who said about her throat being slit but he would have said anything they wanted for a can of Mountain Dew. But yeah I agree on the general point you are making. No blood or DNA in the bedroom, house itself or garage where they supposedly finished her off. No way he could clean every spec up. I am also sure they said the ONLY DNA on the car key was his, her DNA wasn't even on her own car key. That's just about as dodgy as you can get. So we have a criminal genius who can remove every last trace of DNA from the multiple locations yet sticks the car key "behind" a book case, sticks her car in his own salvage yard and BBQs her body outside his front door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Just finished too. No way the guy's guilty. Kratz is a slimy khunt, as proved by the revelations that surfaced afterwards. The police were desperate to get him and they did. Have a read of this. http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 As I said I can't get away from how convinced of their innocence the lawyers were and they were the only guys playing with a full deck in the whole documentary. 400k would tend to do that. The whole ambiance of the town and the people in it reminds me of North Lanarkshire. I haven't seen such a dearth of IQ since I was at school there. We had quite a few Steven and Brendan types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 That was Brendan who said about her throat being slit but he would have said anything they wanted for a can of Mountain Dew. But yeah I agree on the general point you are making. No blood or DNA in the bedroom, house itself or garage where they supposedly finished her off. No way he could clean every spec up. I am also sure they said the ONLY DNA on the car key was his, her DNA wasn't even on her own car key. That's just about as dodgy as you can get. So we have a criminal genius who can remove every last trace of DNA from the multiple locations yet sticks the car key "behind" a book case, sticks her car in his own salvage yard and BBQs her body outside his front door. Haha I know Hiding her motor close to where he "killed" her was a touch of genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 400k would tend to do that. . I don't think the money had anything to do with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) Have a read of this. http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php Aye, I read that last night (someone linked it earlier in the thread). Taking what's in that link, and what's in the documentary, I still don't think there's anything approaching concrete evidence (at least, none that the police didn't plant) that should've seen either of them convicted. What I must admit to finding puzzling, and leads me to think that yes, there's something the trials saw that we didn't is that twelve men and women (twice) unanimously agreed that they did it. 'Beyond reasonable doubt' based on the evidence we've seen? No chance. Edited January 10, 2016 by redstevie007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Aye, I read that last night (someone linked it earlier in the thread). Taking what's in that link, and what's in the documentary, I still don't think there's anything approaching concrete evidence (at least, none that the police didn't plant) that should've seen either of them convicted. What I must admit to finding puzzling, and leads me to think that yes, there's something the trials saw that we didn't is that twelve men and women (twice) unanimously agreed that they did it. 'Beyond reasonable doubt' based on the evidence we've seen? No chance. If you can go to the trouble of planting keys, a bullet, stealing blood samples and planting them, getting a defence lawyer and his investigator to get a 'confession' from their client, you can find a way to influence a jury. I watched a news report yesterday about one of the 12 on the Avery case saying that they were worried about their safety if they ruled not guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TartanJon Posted January 10, 2016 Author Share Posted January 10, 2016 If you can go to the trouble of planting keys, a bullet, stealing blood samples and planting them, getting a defence lawyer and his investigator to get a 'confession' from their client, you can find a way to influence a jury. I watched a news report yesterday about one of the 12 on the Avery case saying that they were worried about their safety if they ruled not guilty. What about that defence lawyer for the boy ??? He was doing the OBs job for them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glebestreet Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 If you can go to the trouble of planting keys, a bullet, stealing blood samples and planting them, getting a defence lawyer and his investigator to get a 'confession' from their client, you can find a way to influence a jury. I watched a news report yesterday about one of the 12 on the Avery case saying that they were worried about their safety if they ruled not guilty. And the juror who was dismissed, I am sure he said that 3 of the jurors had them guilty before they even started debating the trial and had no intention of changing their mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest allyc Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 Watched this the other night after rave recommendations.wasn't all that taken with it tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 #spoiler alert# We stopped giving a sh!t about spoilers a page and a half ago, as no cnut knows how to do that on their phone! Just watched episode 10, which having watched 8 and 9 (possibly 7,8 and 9?) last night, seemed pretty pointless, kinda wrapped it up I suppose. Agree with many comments before hand. The thing that struck me was, every piece of evidence seemed compromised, and the defence guys were able to cast "reasonable doubt" on everything the prosecution had to offer. (Or at least as far as I saw, going to read the 2 articles posted now.) Just about everyone on the defence side seemed like a complete cuunt! Kratz - smug creepy sexpest Fassbender - looked like the sort of guy who would wear a roll neck with a blazer, not sure if it happened in an early episode, and I couldn't get away from it? Or he just looks the sort? "For the watching" Halbach brother - he's up their as my main suspect, creepy bible thumping weirdo, liked his face on TV more than I was comfortable with. Halbach ex Boyf - see above, plus the whole giving a camera to a couple of latecomers to the search, and sending them to the scrap yard... All reeked a bit... Andrew colburn- seriously, if he's not one of 4 cops in Manitwoc county, wtf was he doing turning up at every turn? One minute he's a traffic cop, next he's escorting prisoners, then he's CSI Manitwoc. Det Lenk - not sure why he was involved so much? Again, stank to high hell! Also special mention to the fat moustached cop in the rape case at the start, he was a complete bell end. To sum up. Avery is probably a hillbilly (can you be a hillbilly that far north?) scum bag, and there is no doubt that his family are all cousins and lovers. But, I'm very doubtful he commuted the crime, but even more doubtful there was evidence to find him guilty of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy Jim Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 The jury seems to have been questionable. Apparently at a count before they started deliberating 7 thought Avery was not guilty yet they ended up with a unanimous guilty verdict on the murder charge, but not on the mutilation of the body charge. It's been reported that one of the jurors was the father of a Manitowoc county sheriff. Not sure how he was allowed to be on a jury. From all I've read since watching it I don't know whether they were guilty or not, but they definitely shouldn't have been found guilty. There has to be an element of doubt. However, the fact that the victim's family seem convinced of Avery's and Dassey's guilt is quite telling. Surely they wouldn't be satisfied with just anyone being convicted of her murder. Apparently one of the top defence lawyers in the US has now taken Avery's case as a result of the documentary. Can't remember the name but has overturned a number of miscarriage of justice cases in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deecie Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 The brother did it. I've no proof for this, he just looked guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PASTA Mick Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 The brother did it. I've no proof for this, he just looked guilty. Agree. I don't think there is any doubt about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 The ex-boyfriend was also a creepy stalker. He managed to access his ex-burds voicemails by "guessing" her password. And by the sounds of it deleting some of them. Him and the room mate should have been prime suspects based on the fact that most murderers know the victim and are quite close to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairbairn Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Fassbender - looked like the sort of guy who would wear a roll neck with a blazer, I don't understand how Brendan's brother and Step Dad weren't treated as suspects. They 2 of the last 4 people to have seen her alive and their only alibi is each other and even then they gave significantly different accounts of the actual time they seen each other. On top of that the Step Dad was trying to sell a gun shortly after the murder that was allegedly the same calibre as the one used in the murder. At no point were they asked to provide DNA samples or was their property searched. The picture below is the Step Dad's face at the moment Brendan is found guilty. I mean FFS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I don't understand how Brendan's brother and Step Dad weren't treated as suspects. They 2 of the last 4 people to have seen her alive and their only alibi is each other and even then they gave significantly different accounts of the actual time they seen each other. On top of that the Step Dad was trying to sell a gun shortly after the murder that was allegedly the same calibre as the one used in the murder. At no point were they asked to provide DNA samples or was their property searched. The picture below is the Step Dad's face at the moment Brendan is found guilty. I mean FFS!!! 'Merica!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) I actually thought the bible thumping brother reminded me of a better looking Cove Sheep. My wife also picked up on him referring to his sister in the past tense, in a couple of news interviews early on in the process, before she had even been found/declared dead. Edited January 11, 2016 by Dalgety Bay TA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I don't understand how Brendan's brother and Step Dad weren't treated as suspects. They 2 of the last 4 people to have seen her alive and their only alibi is each other and even then they gave significantly different accounts of the actual time they seen each other. On top of that the Step Dad was trying to sell a gun shortly after the murder that was allegedly the same calibre as the one used in the murder. At no point were they asked to provide DNA samples or was their property searched. The picture below is the Step Dad's face at the moment Brendan is found guilty. I mean FFS!!! I have a feeling these are people who would struggle to actually tell the time tbh. One of the websites I read post watching it says that Avery's gun matched up to the bullet with the lassies DNA on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalgety Bay TA Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I actually thought the bible thumping brother reminded me of a better looking Cove Sheep. My wife also picked up on him referring to his sister in the past tense, in a couple of news interviews early on in the process, before she had even been found/declared dead. This was actually his quote a couple of days after she was reported missing, not dead. Um, I mean ... the grieving process, you know, could last days, could last weeks, could last years. You know hopefully, we find answers as soon as possible so we can, you know, begin to ... hopefully, you know, move on, hopefully with Teresa still in our life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 If we're playing Hick Cluedo, my money would be on the ex boyfriend and flat mate who organised the searches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I mentioned Reddit a few pages ago and now I feel like Reddit has come to us with the Cluedo posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 I mentioned Reddit a few pages ago and now I feel like Reddit has come to us with the Cluedo posts. I'm a regular Redditor myself, it has everything. Especially porn! Hunners of porn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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