Refugee Crisis

[ParisInAKilt]

And that's the real problem . Everybody is so busy tip toeing around the fact that it was migrants/refugees/ asylum seekers who carried out these attacks they have completely ignored the fact that women have been verbally physically and sexually abused by them. It s a sad state of affairs when more consideration is given to how we refer to the perpetrators than what they did. Next month is Karnival in Germany and curiously enough the center of these celebrations is in fact Koln. I just wonder if the NYE attack wasn't just a recce for a much bigger scale attack during Karnival. The Thursday before Ossensamstag the day they hold the Karnivalumzug or parade, is what is known as Weiberfastnacht where the "women wield the power" usually involves much cutting off of ties and shoe laces of unsuspecting males . Perhaps the ladies might care to snip off a few other dangly bits this time .............I wonder how the liberal loonies would react to that ? " "Vicious western women mutiliate innocent migrants trying to rape them"

Liberal loonies?

Who's condoning the attacks?

[Return of Yermaw]

And that's the real problem . Everybody is so busy tip toeing around the fact that it was migrants/refugees/ asylum seekers who carried out these attacks they have completely ignored the fact that women have been verbally physically and sexually abused by them. It s a sad state of affairs when more consideration is given to how we refer to the perpetrators than what they did. Next month is Karnival in Germany and curiously enough the center of these celebrations is in fact Koln. I just wonder if the NYE attack wasn't just a recce for a much bigger scale attack during Karnival. The Thursday before Ossensamstag the day they hold the Karnivalumzug or parade, is what is known as Weiberfastnacht where the "women wield the power" usually involves much cutting off of ties and shoe laces of unsuspecting males . Perhaps the ladies might care to snip off a few other dangly bits this time .............I wonder how the liberal loonies would react to that ? " "Vicious western women mutiliate innocent migrants trying to rape them"

so we have moved on from "i am not being racist I am presenting FACTS" to "more consideration is being given to how we refer to the perpetrators" when your facts were shown to be utter tosh? How can you expect anyone beyond the lunatic fringe to take you seriously (if that is indeed your attempt)?

In any case no one is tip toeing around the issue. Most people are appalled by what happened and agree that it needs to be addressed as a priority through arrests, prosecution, better policing and education. However when you hang your own prejudices on the back of what happened, all you do is suggest that you are quite happy the sexual assaults occurred as in your mind it gives credence to your own racist outlook on life.

[Return of Yermaw]

Liberal loonies?

Who's condoning the attacks?

he is.

[thplinth]

Apparently there were mass sexual assaults at a migrant welcome party held by 'Refugees Welcome' on a boat near Bonn two months ago.

Can you imagine the mind set that you go to a welcome party and assault the women who come to welcome you.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/634815/Cologne-attacks-fury-migrant-sex-cover-up-refugee-event-groping-Germany

http://welcome.blogsport.de/2015/11/10/stellungnahme-zur-party-am-7-november/

[DoonTheSlope]

You're mental.

Theres more chance of Nessie than there is of God, but none of changes the FACT that youre a loopy right win lunatic.

MacTaz gives us a balance seen as how there's more and more loopy left wing scum appearing

[MacTaz]

so we have moved on from "i am not being racist I am presenting FACTS" to "more consideration is being given to how we refer to the perpetrators" when your facts were shown to be utter tosh? How can you expect anyone beyond the lunatic fringe to take you seriously (if that is indeed your attempt)?

In any case no one is tip toeing around the issue. Most people are appalled by what happened and agree that it needs to be addressed as a priority through arrests, prosecution, better policing and education. However when you hang your own prejudices on the back of what happened, all you do is suggest that you are quite happy the sexual assaults occurred as in your mind it gives credence to your own racist outlook on life.

The facts are dickhead that over 2oo german women were attacked by foreign nationals and the idiot liberals are more concerned about how the criminals were referred to that the attacks !! FFS It is not racist to speak out when things are wrong. It is however racist to move to a foreign country accept housing money and goodwill then rape the local women.

[MacTaz]

so we have moved on from "i am not being racist I am presenting FACTS" to "more consideration is being given to how we refer to the perpetrators" when your facts were shown to be utter tosh? How can you expect anyone beyond the lunatic fringe to take you seriously (if that is indeed your attempt)?

In any case no one is tip toeing around the issue. Most people are appalled by what happened and agree that it needs to be addressed as a priority through arrests, prosecution, better policing and education. However when you hang your own prejudices on the back of what happened, all you do is suggest that you are quite happy the sexual assaults occurred as in your mind it gives credence to your own racist outlook on life.

How are my facts utter tosh ? The facts are there for all to see . Failing that ask the women who were attacked ........

[MacTaz]

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Edited January 24, 2016 by MacTaz

[MacTaz]

Liberal loonies?

Who's condoning the attacks?

REad the post nobody mentioned condoning . Its about being more concerned with terms of reference than the crime they committed !

[MacTaz]

so we have moved on from "i am not being racist I am presenting FACTS" to "more consideration is being given to how we refer to the perpetrators" when your facts were shown to be utter tosh? How can you expect anyone beyond the lunatic fringe to take you seriously (if that is indeed your attempt)?

In any case no one is tip toeing around the issue. Most people are appalled by what happened and agree that it needs to be addressed as a priority through arrests, prosecution, better policing and education. However when you hang your own prejudices on the back of what happened, all you do is suggest that you are quite happy the sexual assaults occurred as in your mind it gives credence to your own racist outlook on life.

Possibly the biggest load of pish I've ever read !

[Return of Yermaw]

FACT ; an estimated 60% of those coming in are NOT actually from Syria and are in fact economic migrants from other countries using the crisis to get to Germany.

And there you struggle with your second "fact". Just because they don't come from Syria, doesn't automatically make them economic migrants. They could be Afghani, Iraqi, or Libyan and therefore equally deserving of refugee status. UNHCR seem to consider that 49% of arrivals to Europe in 2015 were Syrian, 21% Afghani and 10% Iraqi - that is likely representative of those travelling to Germany but only an assessment based on UN figures. In no way a fact but certainly more qualified than your estimated "fact" that 60% of arrivals to Germany can only be classed as economic migrants as they are not Syrian.

You come across as a bit of a clown.

How are my facts utter tosh ? The facts are there for all to see . Failing that ask the women who were attacked ........

You gave two "facts". The second one is quoted above which you now ignore.

[Return of Yermaw]

The facts are dickhead that over 2oo german women were attacked by foreign nationals and the idiot liberals are more concerned about how the criminals were referred to that the attacks !! FFS It is not racist to speak out when things are wrong. It is however racist to move to a foreign country accept housing money and goodwill then rape the local women.

it is racist to move to a foreign country, claim housing and attack people? is it? what makes that racist and how many of the attackers have been shown to be claiming housing benefits?

I imagine this is like debating with Donald Trump or Nick Griffin. I'll leave you to wallow in all this as it clearly gives you pleasure.

[ParisInAKilt]

REad the post nobody mentioned condoning . Its about being more concerned with terms of reference than the crime they committed !

Sure . . .

[EddardStark]

Australia the modern progressive society? Mmmm not sure about that one. Seperate health care for aboriginal people in 2015 is hardly an example of a modern progressive society.

aren't they deporting criminals back to their country of birth? Even if they have lived in Aus from 2 years of age.

[ParisInAKilt]

aren't they deporting criminals back to their country of birth? Even if they have lived in Aus from 2 years of age.

Not sure about that one, although it wouldn't surprise me.

[EddardStark]

Not sure about that one, although it wouldn't surprise me.

it was on a BBC report last night.

[MacTaz]

it is racist to move to a foreign country, claim housing and attack people? is it? what makes that racist and how many of the attackers have been shown to be claiming housing benefits?

I imagine this is like debating with Donald Trump or Nick Griffin. I'll leave you to wallow in all this as it clearly gives you pleasur

Hmmm let s see ALL the women targetted were white western European. Those carrying out the attacks were of N.African/ Arab descent . Seems fairly clear to me. And indeed those who were attacked. So you keep being an apologist and burying your head in the

sand.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/08/16/2FE991A100000578-3390337-Scrawl_A_note_found_on_one_of_the_Cologne_New_Year_s_Eve_sex_att-m-46_1452270753642.jpg

[DoonTheSlope]

Hmmm let s see ALL the women targetted were white western European. Those carrying out the attacks were of N.African/ Arab descent . Seems fairly clear to me. And indeed those who were attacked. So you keep being an apologist and burying your head in the

sand.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/08/16/2FE991A100000578-3390337-Scrawl_A_note_found_on_one_of_the_Cologne_New_Year_s_Eve_sex_att-m-46_1452270753642.jpg

But, but, but... that's the daily mail

[Return of Yermaw]

Hmmm let s see ALL the women targetted were white western European. Those carrying out the attacks were of N.African/ Arab descent . Seems fairly clear to me. And indeed those who were attacked. So you keep being an apologist and burying your head in the

sand.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/08/16/2FE991A100000578-3390337-Scrawl_A_note_found_on_one_of_the_Cologne_New_Year_s_Eve_sex_att-m-46_1452270753642.jpg

okay, so now we have moved on from your laughable presentation of "facts" and in doing so overlooking your reference to all the attackers being on housing benefits and largely being economic migrants. Most people including myself are appalled by the attacks in themselves, full stop. You, a racist yourself, are ironically appalled by what you consider to be the racist nature of the attacks. If it were white Europeans attacking other ethnicities most people including myself would also be appalled - I am betting you wouldn't.

[thplinth]

I am not taking sides but is MacTaz the issue here?

Edited January 24, 2016 by thplinth

[Orraloon]

I am not taking sides but is MacTaz the issue here?

Well, he was an economic migrant in Germany for 20 years, so you never know?

[kumnio]

I am not taking sides but is MacTaz the issue here?

Yes and no, he doesnt put his points across at all without sounding like a zealot, and issues like this are almost pornographic for him.

For the first time in my adult life, I can agree (in some respect, and on some points) with people who are against 'refugees, immigrants and asylum seekers', I never thought I would say that.

Germanys policy has proven to be an absolute disaster, the latest estimation that I noticed was around 800'000, its probably significantly more than a million now. You simply can not have mass migration of that scale of people, without it causing very significant issues. Im positive that the vast majority of refugees will be decent people looking for a better life, but adding 1% to your population will have huge consequences, and I believe Merkel will pay the price for her actions.

The sex attacks will only cause resentment in Germany, and who can blame them. The whole affair is a disaster.

We absolutely must help people who are suffering, but just as I dont believe the West should be the worlds policeman, I dont think we should be the worlds social system, and as much as this irks me beyond belief, David Camerons policy on refugees and asylum seekers has been correct. The UK will vote to leave the EU, and this topic will have played a massive part in that decision IMO.

An issue like this isnt exactly suited to the internet, for a start, most people, including myself, aren't terribly clued up on all the facts and figures, and the nuances in peoples posts will undoubtedly lead to someone either being tagged as a tree hugging left wing pussy or a right wing racist idiot, the truth being there are hundreds of slots between left and right on this topic. The politicians, the media, the commentators etc cant get this topic right, I doubt the TAMB will either.

[TartanJon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35397109

[ParisInAKilt]

This is a humanatrian crisis caused by the foreign policy of certain western countries. To turn away refugees and asylum seekers would be sentencing many of them to death.

I agree that mass migration isn't an ideal situation but what's the alternative right now?

Who here would like to live in any of these countries affected by the Wests foreign "policy"?

Edited January 24, 2016 by ParisInAKilt

[Orraloon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35397109

If they tattooed an identity number on their arms it might be less obvious.