aaid Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Still waiting for the smoking gun that says he'd rather play for the UK than Scotland though - as per the OP's assertion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Still waiting for the smoking gun that says he'd rather play for the UK than Scotland though - as per the OP's assertion. I'm guessing you mean me and don't know what OP actually means. Like I've said plenty of times now, 'educated guess,' 'not hard to work out.' I never said there was a direct quote but if someone is so proud to be North British (Since he likes and shares things from 'North British view') then surely you would desire to represent your country. And for McGregor his country is clearly the UK and his nationality British. Edited August 23, 2015 by iainmac1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I'm guessing you mean me and don't know what OP actually means. Like I've said plenty of times now, 'educated guess,' 'not hard to work out.' I never said there was a direct quote but if someone is so proud to be North British (Since he likes and shares things from 'North British view') then surely you would desire to represent your country. And for McGregor his country is clearly the UK and his nationality British. Some leap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Some leap. Not really. If anyone views their nationality as (Insert any country) and is proud to be (Insert same country) then it would be odd that they wouldn't want to represent them at international football. It is pretty straightforward really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Not really. If anyone views their nationality as (Insert any country) and is proud to be (Insert same country) then it would be odd that they wouldn't want to represent them at international football. It is pretty straightforward really. In your wee world maybe. Perhaps he thinks that the argument is flawed at this moment in time and that some things have to change before independence is the right thing for the Scottish people. Who knows. Apart from you apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 In your wee world maybe. Perhaps he thinks that the argument is flawed at this moment in time and that some things have to change before independence is the right thing for the Scottish people. Who knows. Apart from you apparently. Now that is some leap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Now that is some leap! No. I have no idea how to read people's minds I am just putting forward an alternative point of view. You have no idea what he thinks but have decided he does and then use that as a fact to say he would rather play for TeamGB. That is the leap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andymac Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Now that is some leap! No. I have no idea how to read people's minds I am just putting forward an alternative point of view. You have no idea what he thinks but have decided he does and then use that as a fact to say he would rather play for TeamGB. That is the leap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) I'm guessing you mean me and don't know what OP actually means. Like I've said plenty of times now, 'educated guess,' 'not hard to work out.' I never said there was a direct quote but if someone is so proud to be North British (Since he likes and shares things from 'North British view') then surely you would desire to represent your country. And for McGregor his country is clearly the UK and his nationality British. It really is straightforward. There are three groups of people as far as Scottish/British nationality is concerned. For the sake of the argument I'm talking about a "natural born Scot", i.e. someone born in Scotland who doesn't have any other national allegiences, i.e. someone like Allan McGregor. I'll also shoot anyone who says define Scottish or define British. Scottish and not Briitish - in the main, these people would have voted Yes, probably a lot of these but not as many as people would like to think. British and not Scottish - I'd be amazed if they voted anything but No, but in reality there are very few of these, probably less than 5% of the population. Scottish and British - this will be the vast majority of the population and everyone will have their place on a sliding scale which will vary depending on circumstances, some people will feel a big bit British, some will feel a big bit Scottish, some will feel more Scottish when we're playing England, some will feel a wee bit British when the Olympics is on. That third category is an entirely given the current constitutional arrangements and the fact there is 300 years of shared history, good and bad. Back in September, the question was "Should Scotland be an independent country?". It wasn't "Should Scotland be an independent country or should we remove all traces of the word Scotland from history and all be part of the UK as if it never happened". People weren't asked to choose between Scotland or the UK, they were asked to choose between Scotland as an independent country or Scotland as part of the UK as it is today* Maybe you should get your head around the idea that for the majority of the electorate there is no contradiction between feeling both Scottish and British no matter how ridiculous that seems to you. Then perhaps you can develop arguments to counter that or to at least lessen peoples concerns that they would have to give up something they don't feel comfortable with. The only way to win the next referendum is to convince those who voted No to vote Yes. *Until the Westminster parties shat it with the Vow. Edited August 23, 2015 by aaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewolf_1980 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Allan McGregor retweeted Alison Clark @AlisonC1988 Sep 16 Alex Salmond personally pressurised St Andrews Uni head to tone down Yes vote concerns. #indyref 87 retweets33 favorites Reply Retweet 87 Favorite 33 More Allan McGregor retweeted No To Independence @V0TENO_2014 Sep 16 Ewan Morrison - YES: Why I Joined Yes and Why I Changed to No http://wp.me/p52Hux-U via @wordpressdotcom #indyref #undecided View summary36 retweets13 favorites Reply Retweet 36 Favorite 13 More Allan McGregor retweeted Mulder1981 @Mulder1981 Sep 16Glasgow, Scotland Glasgow's very own Adam Smith Professor on why the Yes economic case does not add up. Please share! http://scottishresearchsociety.com/numbers-dont-add-world-leading-economist-scottish-independence-indyref/ … #indyref 24 retweets5 favorites Reply Retweet 24 Favorite 5 More Allan McGregor retweeted Financial Times @FT Sep 11 IMF warns of fallout from Scottish split http://on.ft.com/1qnDJeV 62 retweets19 favorites Reply Retweet 62 Favorite 19 More Allan McGregor retweeted Rebecca Garrett @PinkPixieCat Sep 16 EXPOSED: The truth about the businesses supporting separation http://www.scotlandsaysnaw.com/business-for-scotland-exposed/ … #Indyref #VoteNo #Scotland 13 retweets5 favorites Reply Retweet 13 Favorite 5 More Allan McGregor @therealgreegsy1 Sep 15 From the EU , IMF and Britain . Must have being doing so well eh? 3 retweets7 favorites Reply Retweet 3 Favorite 7 More Allan McGregor retweeted Malcolm McDonald @MalcMcDonald Sep 15 27 retweets12 favorites Reply Retweet 27 Favorite 12 More Allan McGregor retweeted Jim Hume MSP LibDem @jimhumeLibDem Sep 12 YES campaigners telling NO voters that they don't have to vote as that'll count as NO. Despicable tactics. Must vote @scotlibdems #nothanks 162 retweets45 favorites Reply Retweet 162 Favorite 45 More Allan McGregor retweeted Duncan Hothersall @dhothersall Sep 9 Governor of the Bank of England spells out exactly what would be involved in a currency union. Brutal. #indyref 123 retweets42 favorites Reply Retweet 123 Favorite 42 More Allan McGregor retweeted Stewart @StewartKSF1 Sep 7 So yes want indy for all powers and rather lose % of defence/economic backing/Public Service spending/NHS/jobs + higher tax/shopping prices. 11 retweets7 favorites Reply Retweet 11 Favorite 7 More Dont think there can be any doubt that he is a Billy Brit No, I would say there is little doubt that he was a supporter of the "No" campaign. There's quite a leap to then assume that he's therefore a Billy Brit with all the imagery that that title evokes. Sounds again like there's perhaps a confusion between the differentiation of voting No (if indeed he even had the opportunity to do so) and 'not feeling Scottish'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320lichtie Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 The fact he doesnt even live here and he was so involved with it on twitter suggests hes a bit of a Billy Brit Sevco zombie GSTQ type tbh, wouldnt get involved with that much if you were someone in the spotlight as much as he was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDange Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Yes we know he's a dependent but that's not really the topic. The vast majority of the Scotland squad wouldn't have been eligible to vote in the referendum anyway. If anyone watching Soccer AM on Saturday, the Hull fans were saying that they need a decent keeper to get promoted back into the Premier League. It was brief but clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 McGregor came from Rangers. Look it up on Wikipedia. A product of the Hutchie Vale conveyor belt, was in the same team there as Ian Murray, Mark Burchill, Steven Craig and Colin Nish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girvanTA Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 How good are Lothian Thistle? Girvan play them soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 <p>I'm a bit confused as to why we're discussing Allan McGregor's political views... His form/ability seems to have gone through a pretty dramatic slump. 18 months ago he was our first choice and a key player, now i think he's fortunate to be in the squad. I'd say that's more important than whatever his politics is. Especially since he seems like a thicko, whos opinion i doubt anyone takes much notice of. </p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 How good are Lothian Thistle? Girvan play them soon Not sure, but if you are playing away to them, Saughton enclosure is a horrific pitch. Terrrible surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 It matters as he was desperate to play for team GB and it isn't too hard to work out that if he could play for his country (UK) over his region (Scotland) then he would. Is playing for Scotland anything more than a career and profile boost for him? Hahahaha, what a pile of shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Some right hand ringers on here at times. Who cares what his political views are. He's Scottish, he plays for scotland. Independence supporters don't have a monopoly over the national side. More than half the population decided to stay in the Union, obviously plenty of our players are of that persuasion. Keep the political stuff outside of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Some right hand ringers on here at times. Who cares what his political views are. He's Scottish, he plays for scotland. Independence supporters don't have a monopoly over the national side. More than half the population decided to stay in the Union, obviously plenty of our players are of that persuasion. Keep the political stuff outside of football. Reminds me of this. http://youtu.be/wCE389PRNyU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Some of the most committed Scotland supporters I know were No voters. I don't mean No voters as in might have voted Yes if the economic argument had been more robust, or if funding for cross border pensions had been made clearer, or if Scotland's position in the EU in the event of a Yes voted had been clarified - I mean ardent, cast iron, die hard No voters. They'd vote No today, tomorrow and the next day, just as a lot of us would vote Yes. Now, quite how they manage to reconcile their belief that Scotland should not, under any circumstances, be an independent country while at the same time spending hundreds of pounds travelling around the world to watch a team that represents what is technically an administrative province play football against teams representing fully-fledged independent nations I do not know. But they can. And none of them are anywhere near as good in goals as Allan McGregor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Whats the betting this "Premier League footballer" was McGregor. https://www.lovetts.co.uk/showcase/Premier-League-footballer-pays-over-60k-after-summary-judgment.aspx/?CCRmailshot_26_8_2015=premierleaguefootballer&utm_source=ccr&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ccr_august_2015 Edited August 26, 2015 by giblet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Whats the betting this "Premier League footballer" was McGregor. https://www.lovetts.co.uk/showcase/Premier-League-footballer-pays-over-60k-after-summary-judgment.aspx/?CCRmailshot_26_8_2015=premierleaguefootballer&utm_source=ccr&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ccr_august_2015 He's not a premier league footballer though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 He's not a premier league footballer though. now, would have been at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usainboltyarocket Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Some right hand ringers on here at times. Who cares what his political views are. He's Scottish, he plays for scotland. Independence supporters don't have a monopoly over the national side. More than half the population decided to stay in the Union, obviously plenty of our players are of that persuasion. Keep the political stuff outside of football. Politics and football do mix. The way it should be. Imagine rugby was played all around the world. He is no longer good enough and a unionist tosser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usainboltyarocket Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Some of the most committed Scotland supporters I know were No voters. I don't mean No voters as in might have voted Yes if the economic argument had been more robust, or if funding for cross border pensions had been made clearer, or if Scotland's position in the EU in the event of a Yes voted had been clarified - I mean ardent, cast iron, die hard No voters. They'd vote No today, tomorrow and the next day, just as a lot of us would vote Yes. Now, quite how they manage to reconcile their belief that Scotland should not, under any circumstances, be an independent country while at the same time spending hundreds of pounds travelling around the world to watch a team that represents what is technically an administrative province play football against teams representing fully-fledged independent nations I do not know. But they can. And none of them are anywhere near as good in goals as Allan McGregor. If they love being British so much lets get together and have a team GB. Maybe they will start the campaign off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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