northernscum Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 She's taking some time off to spend with her family, then she intends to continue her work with the Socialist Campaign Group. She doesn't intend to stand for Holyrood at this time. OK, Shame. By the sounds of it she is the type of genuinely left leaning candidate we need in Scottish politics. Maybe she will reconsider when the time comes round to select candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) I don't accept that. My vote was for the candidate, who would have fought for a living wage as she always has, nuclear disarmament as she always has, and for the benefit of the working class as she always has. These aren't Labour positions. What about the non working class? Has she just abandoned them like her Labour masters down south? That doesn't sound very socialist to me. Edited May 10, 2015 by Orraloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 What about the non working class? Has she just abandoned them like her Labour masters down south? That doesn't sound very socialist to me. I enjoy it when you make things up to suit yourself , it's cute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I enjoy it when you make things up to suit yourself , it's cute I'm not making things up though (not this time anyway ). Some top Labour burd down south (can't remember her name) said Labour don't represent the unemployed. I'm just asking if Katy agrees with her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I'm not making things up though (not this time anyway ). Some top Labour burd down south (can't remember her name) said Labour don't represent the unemployed. I'm just asking if Katy agrees with her. Ah, I see what you mean . Yes Rachel Reeves did say that. I misunderstood when you used the term "non working class" I thought you were actually saying Labour had abandoned the Middle Classes which is of course nonsense. The term "Working Class" has always included the unemployed, the disabled, the sick and the poverty stricken when used as a non derogatory term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 The term "Working Class" has always included the unemployed, the disabled, the sick and the poverty stricken when used as a non derogatory term. Not according to Rachel Reeves (thanks for remembering her name for me by the way ) it doesn't. I couldn't actually believe it when she said it. I know they have thought it for a long time but for her to actually come out and say it so openly in public was a big surprise. Do you think Katy Clark agrees with her? What do you think her next move should be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I don't accept that. My vote was for the candidate, who would have fought for a living wage as she always has, nuclear disarmament as she always has, and for the benefit of the working class as she always has. These aren't Labour positions.So she opposes Trident renewal but was a Labour MP? What happens when she's told to vote by the party whips? If she seriously opposed the renewal of trident then she wouldn't be in the Labour party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Not according to Rachel Reeves (thanks for remembering her name for me by the way ) it doesn't. I couldn't actually believe it when she said it. I know they have thought it for a long time but for her to actually come out and say it so openly in public was a big surprise. Do you think Katy Clark agrees with her? What do you think her next move should be? Sorry, I thought I was being clear. When a Socialist says they stand for the working class, that includes the unemployed, the disabled, the long term sick and the poverty stricken. And no, I don't believe Katy agrees with Reeves given her criticism that the Labour Party doesn't stand for the working class, hence her involvement in the Socialist Campaign Group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 So she opposes Trident renewal but was a Labour MP? What happens when she's told to vote by the party whips? If she seriously opposed the renewal of trident then she wouldn't be in the Labour party. She defied the whip, as she did on every Trident and austerity vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 So she opposes Trident renewal but was a Labour MP? What happens when she's told to vote by the party whips? If she seriously opposed the renewal of trident then she wouldn't be in the Labour party. Don't agree. I think you can still be a Labour MP and disagree with trident, provided you're able to vote against it which I think is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 She defied the whip, as she did on every Trident and austerity vote.Good on her but it calls into question her judgement on being a member of a party that doesn't believe in the same things as she does.Not saying she has to join the SNP as she may be a Unionist but surely better off elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I did indeed. I endorsed the candidate, not the party. I couldn't have made that clearer. As I thought. Scunnered its clear as day, I understand you support Katy but not labour but whether you like it or not and whether you intend to or not, support for Katy Clark is support for labour and I didnt see labour even looking like imposing "real change" had they won this election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Good on her but it calls into question her judgement on being a member of a party that doesn't believe in the same things as she does. Not saying she has to join the SNP as she may be a Unionist but surely better off elsewhere? Absolutely, unless she was independent then impossible to support her and not labour surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Good on her but it calls into question her judgement on being a member of a party that doesn't believe in the same things as she does. Not saying she has to join the SNP as she may be a Unionist but surely better off elsewhere? As I thought. Scunnered its clear as day, I understand you support Katy but not labour but whether you like it or not and whether you intend to or not, support for Katy Clark is support for labour and I didnt see labour even looking like imposing "real change" had they won this election. I'm not sure why you two chaps have such difficulty understanding this when so many of your board mates do. I've been through this countless times to the point of boredom. It's irrelevant for the moment now anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I'm not sure why you two chaps have such difficulty understanding this when so many of your board mates do. I've been through this countless times to the point of boredom. It's irrelevant for the moment now anyway. Understand what? I completely understand. The point I am making is you cannot whether you want to or not support her and not labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Understand what? I completely understand. The point I am making is you cannot whether you want to or not support her and not labour. In summary... I don't like Labour, Clark doesn't like Labour. I like Clark, I vote for Clark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 In summary... I don't like Labour, Clark doesn't like Labour. I like Clark, I vote for Clark. Understand. That wasn't the point. You stated the SNP would be unlikely to deliver any meaningful change I said even less likely had labour got in. You said you didn't support labour which I dispute. That's all. I just think its early days to be slating the snps ability to deliver real change - particularly coning from a labour voter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Understand. That wasn't the point. You stated the SNP would be unlikely to deliver any meaningful change I said even less likely had labour got in. You said you didn't support labour which I dispute. That's all. I just think its early days to be slating the snps ability to deliver real change - particularly coning from a labour voter. You're trying to kill me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 You're trying to kill me Ha ha, no mate I am not. Apologies if that's the effect as it's not intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Well, let's look at an alternative scenario. Say there was a Marxist Socialist MP/MSP in the SNP, would you encourage them to leave the party? Edited May 10, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cove_Sheep Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I know that the vast majority of people opt to vote for the party that is listed next to the candidate on the ballot paper, but I'm 100% certain that Scunnered takes a bit of an old fashioned view and opts to vote for the candidate he thinks will best serve his constituency as an MP rather than for someone running on a ticket of the party that may or may not form the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kps022000 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 As I have said a few times before I have no idea why scunnered get the abuse he does for voting for the best person to represent his constituents. Maybe if more people did the same we would not have the career politicians that stand for nothing and done set foot in thier respective areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 As I have said a few times before I have no idea why scunnered get the abuse he does for voting for the best person to represent his constituents. He gets abuse primarily because he's a windup merchant. Nothing wrong with that as he seems able to take it as well as dish it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 He gets abuse primarily because he's a windup merchant. Nothing wrong with that as he seems able to take it as well as dish it out. I am not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 I am not! Capable of taking it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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