Auld_Reekie Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I'm going to visit my Maw & Dad tonight (Labour members) who both voted for Murphy as SLab leader. I'll be ramming it home that their parties impending collapse could've been avoided (or at least mitigated) if they'd listened to me and voted for Findlay and Clark. Im not even convinced by Findlay any more either. He's show himself to be as partisan and bitter about the SNP as the rest IMO, and couple that with the fact that he has little influence in wider Labour Party, he'd have been completely ineffectual. Katy Clark has potential but again, what stands before Labour is bigger than any single individual leader. Their party is in serious trouble and it's not clear to me who could sort them out and affect widespread change in attitudes rather than more of the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Im not even convinced by Findlay any more either. He's show himself to be as partisan and bitter about the SNP as the rest IMO. Findlays behaviour has been appalling throughout this campaign. I used to rate him as one of the better MSP's from any party, now he's turned into one of the whooping seals that infest Holyrood benches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khana Lagur Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 He's either done a Phillip Schofield and accepted he's grey; his local shop's run out of Just for Men; or he's feeling the pressure of branch management. http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-toll-taken/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Im not even convinced by Findlay any more either. He's show himself to be as partisan and bitter about the SNP as the rest IMO, and couple that with the fact that he has little influence in wider Labour Party, he'd have been completely ineffectual. Katy Clark has potential but again, what stands before Labour is bigger than any single individual leader. Their party is in serious trouble and it's not clear to me who could sort them out and affect widespread change in attitudes rather than more of the same. It wouldn't have fixed it for them but they'd certainly have more to offer than Murphy and Deputy Dug. Who offer nothing apart from "SNP- Bad" and "vote SNP get Tory". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Murphy is an absolute idiot. This is the front page of the "i" newspaper down here today: It's his own fault for repeating the lie that a vote for the SNP is a vote for the Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Unless he ACTUALLY believes that only the party with the most seats gets to form the government! That would explain why he's been pushing it so doggedly for the last few weeks. Perhaps he is just really, really stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenfrewBlue Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Unless he ACTUALLY believes that only the party with the most seats gets to form the government! That would explain why he's been pushing it so doggedly for the last few weeks. Perhaps he is just really, really stupid! I thought that was a given? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Unless he ACTUALLY believes that only the party with the most seats gets to form the government! That would explain why he's been pushing it so doggedly for the last few weeks. Perhaps he is just really, really stupid! He's not that stupid, but he's hoping the electorate are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Unless he ACTUALLY believes that only the party with the most seats gets to form the government! That would explain why he's been pushing it so doggedly for the last few weeks. Perhaps he is just really, really stupid! It'd be political suicide for Labour down south if they formed a government when the Tories had more seats. Labour know it and the Tories know it. They'd be attacked constantly by the Tory press, questioning their legitimacy, calling them anti-democratic and giving them pelters for being "propped-up" by SNP votes in parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 It'd be political suicide for Labour down south if they formed a government when the Tories had more seats. Labour know it and the Tories know it. They'd be attacked constantly by the Tory press, questioning their legitimacy, calling them anti-democratic and giving them pelters for being "propped-up" by SNP votes in parliament. And political suicide for them up here, if they let the Tories in, rather than form some sort of a deal with the SNP - it would crush them at the Holyrood elections if they are seen to find letting the Tories in preferable to working with the party that Scotland has chosen (hopefully overwhelmingly) to represent their interests at Westminster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 And political suicide for them up here, if they let the Tories in, rather than form some sort of a deal with the SNP - it would crush them at the Holyrood elections if they are seen to find letting the Tories in preferable to working with the party that Scotland has chosen (hopefully overwhelmingly) to represent their interests at Westminster Definitely. I struggle to see a scenario where they're not fecked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Scottish Labour made possibly the worst calculation in realpolitik terms by any major political party in European history in reacting to being outflanked on the left by appointing a Blairite right-winger as Branch Manager; reacting to being perceived as a Unionist-only party by appointing a hardline Loyalist to be the public face of the party, they doomed themselves on two fronts: the Left (which did include pro-Union elements and who are now turned off of potentially voting Scottish Labour by a hard-right leadership), and the Yes vote (which included centre-Left and soft-Right elements and who are now turned off of potentially voting Scottish Labour by an extremist Unionist leadership)" http://tommyballgovan.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/extincta-eorum-inutilis.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 If they let in tory then cuts come , then call another g.e. hoping that snp lose votes and labour south all back the party again once people see the tory cuts in welfare . Maybe . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacWalka Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 And political suicide for them up here, if they let the Tories in, rather than form some sort of a deal with the SNP - it would crush them at the Holyrood elections if they are seen to find letting the Tories in preferable to working with the party that Scotland has chosen (hopefully overwhelmingly) to represent their interests at Westminster I think Labour are accepting that they're dead for a while up here and are concentrating on shoring up their English votes. THis can be seen by Murphy being undermined by Milliband, Balls and Umuna (sp?). Scottish Labour are essentially dead regardless, it's just how dead they will be that differs, there was no point in the rest of Labour taking a hit for the Scottish branch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpyauldgit Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I will make a prediction, that as soon as Murphy losses his seat in Westminster, a Liebour list MSP will be found dead, after accidentally shooting them self, 17 times in the back of the head while shaving, and thus giving auld skelator, a seat in Holyrood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I will make a prediction, that as soon as Murphy losses his seat in Westminster, a Liebour list MSP will be found dead, after accidentally shooting them self, 17 times in the back of the head while shaving, and thus giving auld skelator, a seat in Holyrood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Definitely. I struggle to see a scenario where they're not fecked Other than being the largest party you are correct. I also think if let the Tories in when they could lock them out with the SNP, that will play very badly in England among their support, they will feel let down. The gamble could be, well where else could they go? Look how that turned out in Scotland. Push comes to shove they will go into government no matter what if the arithmetic works. Labour in Scotland needs gutting though. The only way forward for them is to split from UK labour - but be a natural coalition with them in Westminster - so they can stand on a program that is purely aimed at Scotland and at best take a neutral stance on the constitutional question. None of this is going to happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishcumnock Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Is that not what we already had for years ? independent scottish labour is the only way forward for them imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Kilt Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) Murphy getting torn to bits by Sally Magnusson on Reporting Scotland right now. Edited April 30, 2015 by Mr. Kilt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Murphy getting torn to bits by Sally Magnusson on Reporting Scotland right now. He's cringeworthy. Embarrasing. He just goes on and on and on and on and on about another referendum. Magnusson says 'but Nicola Sturgeon has ruled out another referendum', but Skeletor keeps on repeating the same, pathetic lie. How the f*ck could anyone consider voting for this muppet, and his party ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 I will make a prediction, that as soon as Murphy losses his seat in Westminster, a Liebour list MSP will be found dead, after accidentally shooting them self, 17 times in the back of the head while shaving, and thus giving auld skelator, a seat in Holyrood. Whilst I think he'll (unfortunately) survive here in East Ren, North British Labour must be looking at their current MSPs and thinking "who is expendable ?" as a Plan B just in case he loses. A bunch of gangsters the lot of them. Wish a sudden and selective typhoid epidemic would wipe them all out at NBL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Whilst I think he'll (unfortunately) survive here in East Ren, North British Labour must be looking at their current MSPs and thinking "who is expendable ?" as a Plan B just in case he loses. A bunch of gangsters the lot of them. Wish a sudden and selective typhoid epidemic would wipe them all out at NBL Most people suggest that there may be a swing to Labour in the last week which will save them a few seats ..and they might be right However it is entirely possible that the swing might go even further the other way Labour are certainly doing everything possible for it to be the latter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/labour-mp-jim-murphy-becomes-4424620 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/labour-mp-jim-murphy-becomes-4424620 That's no funny, I just lost my dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamia Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 That's no funny, I just lost my dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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