Robroysboy Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 THE POINT I MADE YESTERDAY ABOUT A BEHIND CLOSED DOORS SANCTION (IF IT ENDS UP BEING APPLIED) IS THAT IT SHOULD BE LEGALLY CHALLENGED AS IT IS CLEARLY UNJUST TO PUNISH SUPPORTERS WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT THAT UEFA, OR WHOEVER, GET AWAY WITH THAT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE RECENT EXAMPLE OF N.I. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT INVOLVED INTENSIVE LOBBYING BY JIM BOYCE WHO IS HIGH UP IN FIFA. AT RANGERS WE JUST KIND OF ACCEPTED IT WHEN IT HAPPENED IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE AT THE SAN SIRO. BUT ON REFLECTION I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEGALLY CHALLENGED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 THE POINT I MADE YESTERDAY ABOUT A BEHIND CLOSED DOORS SANCTION (IF IT ENDS UP BEING APPLIED) IS THAT IT SHOULD BE LEGALLY CHALLENGED AS IT IS CLEARLY UNJUST TO PUNISH SUPPORTERS WHO HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT THAT UEFA, OR WHOEVER, GET AWAY WITH THAT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE RECENT EXAMPLE OF N.I. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT INVOLVED INTENSIVE LOBBYING BY JIM BOYCE WHO IS HIGH UP IN FIFA. AT RANGERS WE JUST KIND OF ACCEPTED IT WHEN IT HAPPENED IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE AT THE SAN SIRO. BUT ON REFLECTION I THINK IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEGALLY CHALLENGED. I'M AGREEING WITH YOU MATE!! I think we will have to wait and see. But as I said, I'd be expecting my association and supporters club to be formally challenging this ruling on behalf of anyone booked up before 21st May to be let in in some capacity. Lets say 1,000 travel, with say 300 yet to book. Thats 700 that are affected and will need to be let in. Dont see it as an issue, the point will have been made, and fans who have forked out for one of the most expensive trips of all qualifying groups arnt out of pocket. That said, I'll still be going, even if its behind closed doors, as the sunk (and biggest) costs are the flights and they are gone. But IMO, at worst they will get a fine and a section of the ground being closed to home fans. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'M AGREEING WITH YOU MATE!! I think we will have to wait and see. But as I said, I'd be expecting my association and supporters club to be formally challenging this ruling on behalf of anyone booked up before 21st May to be let in in some capacity. Lets say 1,000 travel, with say 300 yet to book. Thats 700 that are affected and will need to be let in. Dont see it as an issue, the point will have been made, and fans who have forked out for one of the most expensive trips of all qualifying groups arnt out of pocket. . J What the SSC have always said whenever being challenged on Twitter, Facebook etc about not selling away match tickets or even stating what away allocations is in the close run up to game ie. Germany, they make it clear not to make ANY travel arrangements until you have been allocated an official SSC ticket. Anyone who has booked up and it does get played behind closed door(Which I'd be very, very surprised if it does) then they won't have a leg to stand on unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 What the SSC have always said whenever being challenged on Twitter, Facebook etc about not selling away match tickets or even stating what away allocations is in the close run up to game ie. Germany, they make it clear not to make ANY travel arrangements until you have been allocated an official SSC ticket. Anyone who has booked up and it does get played behind closed door(Which I'd be very, very surprised if it does) then they won't have a leg to stand on unfortunately Is it not until the venue is announced that they say not to book, not if you can actually get a ticket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) Is it not until the venue is announced that they say not to book, not if you can actually get a ticket?I'm sure they were saying to not to book for Germany late on. Dortmund was announced months and months in advance. They don't want to encourage fans travelling without SSC tickets Edited April 2, 2015 by DoonTheSlope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I want to make my travel arrangements early but don't know if I will get a ticket yet - what should I do? We do not recommend making travel arrangements until you have been guaranteed an official ticket. We do understand that the cost of travelling can increase the nearer to travelling you book, however the choice to do this is at each members own discretion and we cannot be responsible if you find you do not qualify for a ticket after booking. http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/football_faqs.cfm?page=3143#q460 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottincarlisle Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Did we not have a pitch invasion against Georgia? Maybe I had more to drink than I remember. I seem to remember a lone invader at the goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) What the SSC have always said whenever being challenged on Twitter, Facebook etc about not selling away match tickets or even stating what away allocations is in the close run up to game ie. Germany, they make it clear not to make ANY travel arrangements until you have been allocated an official SSC ticket. Anyone who has booked up and it does get played behind closed door(Which I'd be very, very surprised if it does) then they won't have a leg to stand on unfortunately They can put as many disclaimers in as they want. Let's remember what they are and are supposed to be. A supporters club. I'd be expecting them to roll up their sleeves and helping their members out, not washing their hands and saying "read the small print". They also need to live in the real world. Low cost flights work because people can book far in advance. Fair dos if the SSC didn't get enough tickets and I didn't get one (as per your quote about booking flights), but being locked out when it was reasonable to expect that I would get a ticket, is another matter. J Edited April 2, 2015 by Bristolhibby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom1172 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 SSC just tweeted that they will be monitoring the situation prior to any decision being made. So doing the same as everyone else. Lucky they have their fingers on the pulse with this eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom1172 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I'M AGREEING WITH YOU MATE!! I think we will have to wait and see. But as I said, I'd be expecting my association and supporters club to be formally challenging this ruling on behalf of anyone booked up before 21st May to be let in in some capacity. Lets say 1,000 travel, with say 300 yet to book. Thats 700 that are affected and will need to be let in. Dont see it as an issue, the point will have been made, and fans who have forked out for one of the most expensive trips of all qualifying groups arnt out of pocket. That said, I'll still be going, even if its behind closed doors, as the sunk (and biggest) costs are the flights and they are gone. But IMO, at worst they will get a fine and a section of the ground being closed to home fans. J This. Couldn't agree more pal. Will still be there - They better have a huge TV on in the square ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radian_13 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) SSC says if you don't qualify for a ticket due to points table. That is completely different to being locked out a stadium. It's quite a shame that people who aren't going are more obsessed about about weather we get a point or not than the fact some of their fellow club members having spent £500 odd pound to go and we might not get into the game through no fault of our own. Edited April 2, 2015 by radian_13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tam4ritchie Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 (edited) Why are some people having a go at the ssc? Everything at this stage is purely speculation, and even if we do end up with a ban it won't be their fault Edited April 2, 2015 by tam4ritchie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroysboy Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Why are some people having a go at the ssc? Everything at this stage is purely speculation, and even if we do end up with a ban it won't be their fault Agree, if the worst case scenario does occurr I fully expect the SSC to fight Uefa just like the northen irish did, Pretty confident it wont come to that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 SSC says if you don't qualify for a ticket due to points table. That is completely different to being locked out a stadium. It's quite a shame that people who aren't going are more obsessed about about weather we get a point or not than the fact some of their fellow club members having spent £500 odd pound to go and we might not get into the game through no fault of our own. SSC says to wait until you are allocated an official ticket. Not being allocated an official ticket would certainly come under the closed doors scenario. I too would expect the SSC or SFA to lobby on our behalf if this were to pass, however legally we would not have a leg to stand on if we made travel arrangements without having been allocated an official ticket first. All that said, I doubt this will happen - usual lazy journalism at work here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robroysboy Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 All that said, I doubt this will happen - usual lazy journalism at work here. Wouldn't be suprised if the Sun read it on here first. Wouldn't be the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyDenoon Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Wouldn't be suprised if the Sun read it on here first. Wouldn't be the first time. Lol,aye I widny fall oot o ma chair if I found out that was the case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal smith Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Did the SFA not compensate people a few years back when the ROI game in Dublin got moved from the Friday to the Sunday in the Carling Cup? Yeah I got my flight covered by the sfa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khana Lagur Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 So the GFF president hints at something that's pure conjecture and he has the TA doing the mitigation lobbying for him. Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doonhameronthedon Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Tbf I booked so that I fly home the morning after the game just so the result doesn't spoil too much of my holiday We will get in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I'm not disagreeing that the SSC/SFA should fight on our behalf. What I'm saying is if the fight for people who've booked before 21 May then they should do likewise for people who book after. How can they bleat about not booking till you have a ticket then, fight on the folk who've already booked behalf then disregard the people who've followed the SSC guidelines off waiting The SSC won't care a jot about cheap flights getting nearer the time, they've stated this in the past and will say read the small Either way it WONT be behind closed doors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolhibby Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I'm not disagreeing that the SSC/SFA should fight on our behalf. What I'm saying is if the fight for people who've booked before 21 May then they should do likewise for people who book after. How can they bleat about not booking till you have a ticket then, fight on the folk who've already booked behalf then disregard the people who've followed the SSC guidelines off waiting The SSC won't care a jot about cheap flights getting nearer the time, they've stated this in the past and will say read the small Either way it WONT be behind closed doors That's an easy one to answer. After the 21st of May, there's no excuse as it has been announced that it is behind closed doors. Before then it would be reasonable to assume you would get in. Why would you book after it is declared behind closed doors? J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radian_13 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 The instances in Georgia are so different to what went on in Serbia and Montenegro, I feel the punishments will effect that. Section of Stadium closed will be the worst Georgia will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoonTheSlope Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 That's an easy one to answer. After the 21st of May, there's no excuse as it has been announced that it is behind closed doors. Before then it would be reasonable to assume you would get in. Why would you book after it is declared behind closed doors? J If it is behind closed doors then there is no tickets to allocate. The SSC can't preach about telling people not to book up without having a ticket. I agree the prices off flights etc but no one has forced anyone to book up this early. Either nobody gets in or everyone in club gets in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagtag Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 The instances in Georgia are so different to what went on in Serbia and Montenegro, I feel the punishments will effect that. Section of Stadium closed will be the worst Georgia will get. Unless Georgia have had previous then they should get a warning and a fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radian_13 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Unless Georgia have had previous then they should get a warning and a fine. Can't recall of them having previous, that's why i can't imagine the stadium being closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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