Scunnered Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 What would you suggest the Socialists of North Ayrshire and Arran do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donaldo87 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Dunno how Scunnered puts up with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Dunno how Scunnered puts up with it I'm not bothered about it. Wine Bibbler, Orraloon are good people, Auld Reekie as well. It's the thick as blinded by nationalism ones I can't be arsed with. Edited March 18, 2015 by Scunnered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Bawbag.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 If I started a new thread to highlight the SNP and their members willingness to use Social media to spread lies, I'd have the usual ####wits screaming "Can't help but have a dig at the SNP". This thread is topical. Well, 11 hours ? and 2 pages later it would have made a viable topic on its own, even if it was the same people saying the same things... Still, if Dougie is Googling himself on social media he may be disturbed to find the thread is not about himself after all! At least it's not an echo chamber of angry grieving SNP supporters. at least, not all of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 That doesn't necessarily mean that she wasn't using a London based company, just that she has no evidence that that's the case. Well i'm no genius ,but, if we start believing things that there is no evidence for, that might not be a good starting axiom on which to build ones knowledge base. Just my own opinion like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 What would you suggest the Socialists of North Ayrshire and Arran do? Raise funds for a SSP candidate to run, and then help campaign for them? I do have sympathy for your situation*, and think you should always vote for a candidate you believe in (which it sounds like you've found with Katy Clark). But personally, I'd really struggle to vote Labour - especially in Scotland! * I live in the West Midlands, and my options at the moment are Labour, Tory, Lib Dem, UKIP..... and that's pretty much it! The Green Party haven't even said they'll run a candidate here yet, as they're struggling to raise the funding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) So in short - Scunnered is voting for Katy Clark as there is no proof that she used a London tele marketing company and overlooking everything else there is proof for with regards to liebour ? It appears that that Katy Clark is just a convenient excuse for Scunnered and his Labour leanings She might be the socialist option but her beliefs are certainly not that of her party and is therefore a fraud Edited March 18, 2015 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Raise funds for a SSP candidate to run, and then help campaign for them? I do have sympathy for your situation*, and think you should always vote for a candidate you believe in (which it sounds like you've found with Katy Clark). But personally, I'd really struggle to vote Labour - especially in Scotland! * I live in the West Midlands, and my options at the moment are Labour, Tory, Lib Dem, UKIP..... and that's pretty much it! The Green Party haven't even said they'll run a candidate here yet, as they're struggling to raise the funding SSP decided not to field a candidate as they didn't want to split the socialist vote for Katy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 SSP decided not to field a candidate as they didn't want to split the socialist vote for Katy. Can't help but think she's in the wrong party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 So in short - Scunnered is voting for Katy Clark as there is no proof that she used a London tele marketing company and overlooking everything else there is proof for with regards to liebour ? It appears that that Katy Clark is just a convenient excuse for Scunnered and his Labour leanings She might be the socialist option but her beliefs are certainly not that of her party and is therefore a fraud Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 SSP decided not to field a candidate as they didn't want to split the socialist vote for Katy. Is there any particular reason why she is not a member of, and therefore standing as, an SSP candidate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Is there any particular reason why she is not a member of, and therefore standing as, an SSP candidate? She wouldn't be elected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 She wouldn't be elected? By the sounds of things she seems to be pretty popular in the constituency, so i don't see why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Is there any particular reason why she is not a member of, and therefore standing as, an SSP candidate? She's very much of the Skinner breed of Labour and as such is a committee member of the Labour Left group who attempt to mobilise the Labour Movement and influence Labour Party policy, in fairness they have had more influence on policy under Miliband than in the last decade altogether. She's a Marxist, if she were to join any other party I imagine it would be the Communist Party of Great Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 What would you suggest the Socialists of North Ayrshire and Arran do? I'm voting for the only party who have a hope in hell of gaining us independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I'm voting for the only party who have a hope in hell of gaining us independence. Not be pedantic... But no party have independence on their manifesto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 What would you suggest the Socialists of North Ayrshire and Arran do? I don't know anything about Katy Clark but if she is a socialist then she is clearly in the wrong party. You should try to persuade her to leave the Labour party and stand as an independent socialist. That would be the honest thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernscum Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 She's very much of the Skinner breed of Labour and as such is a committee member of the Labour Left group who attempt to mobilise the Labour Movement and influence Labour Party policy, in fairness they have had more influence on policy under Miliband than in the last decade altogether. She's a Marxist, if she were to join any other party I imagine it would be the Communist Party of Great Britain. A very rare, if not unique standpoint within the Labour party nowadays. Although I fully understand why you would want to back her as an individual with her vision of how the Labour party should act, I doubt she would have any influence at all on party policy matters. I am not one of the blind faith SNP voters who agree with everything the party stands for, in the past I have voted for SNP, Labour and Lib Dems at various points. I see myself as far more of an all round Socialist than any of the major parties but in the meantime I see the SNP as the only vehicle to maintain the independence issue and to build on the momentum gained in the last couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPROAR Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 can I just say I walked past Jenny Marra today.... she was wearing a tight black top and a short, pleated tartan kilt..... Ive never noticed her before but I was quite unprepared. just wanted to share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I don't know anything about Katy Clark but if she is a socialist then she is clearly in the wrong party. You should try to persuade her to leave the Labour party and stand as an independent socialist. That would be the honest thing to do. In your opinion. There is a visible left wing element to the Labour Party, an element that Katy is a part of... An integral part of. It's shunned by much of the party establishment, but it's there. Right now there is a section of members within the SNP that are trying to establish such a group, it's also being fought aggressively by party establishment. These people should be encouraged, as should the Labour equivalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maq Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Not be pedantic... But no party have independence on their manifesto. Not even the UK Independence Party.....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 Not be pedantic... But no party have independence on their manifesto. Got a link to the SNP's manifesto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Got a link to the SNP's manifesto? Here's a preview: 1. We will ask the UK Government: Please, please, please devolve corporation Tax. - End Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 Here's a preview: 1. We will ask the UK Government: Please, please, please devolve corporation Tax. - End That'll be a "No" then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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