Orraloon Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 After the referendum, I'm inherently suspicious of polls, samples, call it what you will. I felt that the Yes campaign were often guilty of preaching to the converted, and their was an element of self-congratulation went on because of daft things like Facebook likes, social media chatter etc etc. I hope that the SNP don't fall into that trap just because their membership increased. I think that the reason we are getting these polls is to try to ensure that the SNP haters make the effort to get out and vote. I predict a very high turnout again.. A lot of Scottish Tories often don't bother to vote because they know there is very little chance of their vote having much effect. It's different this time round as they will do anything to try to stop the SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I think that the reason we are getting these polls is to try to ensure that the SNP haters make the effort to get out and vote. I predict a very high turnout again.. A lot of Scottish Tories often don't bother to vote because they know there is very little chance of their vote having much effect. It's different this time round as they will do anything to try to stop the SNP. If that silent Tory gang do come out in mass and vote for Labour surely even the most ingrained inbred Labour voters will see what their party has become? Surely? Yeah, probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I think that the reason we are getting these polls is to try to ensure that the SNP haters make the effort to get out and vote. That's pretty paranoid squire We've always been inundated with polls in the run up to GE's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 If that silent Tory gang do come out in mass and vote for Labour surely even the most ingrained inbred Labour voters will see what their party has become? Surely? Yeah, probably not. It wont be reported that way though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 That's pretty paranoid squire We've always been inundated with polls in the run up to GE's. I probably didn't explain myself properly there. I know we always get opinion polls. What I meant was that the reason we are getting seemingly very high results for SNP is to help encourage the normally non voters to get out and vote. On this occasion a higher turnout is probably bad for SNP. IMO, opinion polls are designed to manipulate public opinion not to measure it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 IMO, opinion polls are designed to manipulate public opinion not to measure it. Absolutely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 If that silent Tory gang do come out in mass and vote for Labour surely even the most ingrained inbred Labour voters will see what their party has become? Surely? Yeah, probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 If that silent Tory gang do come out in mass and vote for Labour surely even the most ingrained inbred Labour voters will see what their party has become? Surely? Yeah, probably not. I would have thought that the most inbred families would tend to vote Tory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I think that the reason we are getting these polls is to try to ensure that the SNP haters make the effort to get out and vote. I predict a very high turnout again.. A lot of Scottish Tories often don't bother to vote because they know there is very little chance of their vote having much effect. It's different this time round as they will do anything to try to stop the SNP. I think that was my point. I think (suspect) that there are a lot of people out there who will vote for anyone but the SNP....red Tories, blue Tories, yellow Tories....makes no difference. The polls look good, but there are a couple of things that are dangerous for the SNP. One being the tendency to believe their own publicity and speak to the converted rather than those that need to be converted, and the other one is being painted as the party of disillusioned left-wing 'extremists' (for lack of a better word). I don't think it did the Yes campaign any good that so many uber left-wingers almost hijacked the campaign and turned it into a socialist protest, and it won't do the SNP any good to be portrayed as the party of the disaffected. The SNP need to make sure that they maintain their position as the party of the middle-ground in Scottish politics. If they don't, you can be damned sure that Labour under Murphy will make a grab for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I think that was my point. I think (suspect) that there are a lot of people out there who will vote for anyone but the SNP....red Tories, blue Tories, yellow Tories....makes no difference. The polls look good, but there are a couple of things that are dangerous for the SNP. One being the tendency to believe their own publicity and speak to the converted rather than those that need to be converted, and the other one is being painted as the party of disillusioned left-wing 'extremists' (for lack of a better word). I don't think it did the Yes campaign any good that so many uber left-wingers almost hijacked the campaign and turned it into a socialist protest, and it won't do the SNP any good to be portrayed as the party of the disaffected. The SNP need to make sure that they maintain their position as the party of the middle-ground in Scottish politics. If they don't, you can be damned sure that Labour under Murphy will make a grab for it. Excellent post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Excellent post. Thank you Sir. Yours as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewelk Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I would have thought that the most inbred families would tend to vote Tory? I think you're referring to 'Aristocrats', the other kind of inbred in British society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I think that was my point. I think (suspect) that there are a lot of people out there who will vote for anyone but the SNP....red Tories, blue Tories, yellow Tories....makes no difference. The polls look good, but there are a couple of things that are dangerous for the SNP. One being the tendency to believe their own publicity and speak to the converted rather than those that need to be converted, and the other one is being painted as the party of disillusioned left-wing 'extremists' (for lack of a better word). I don't think it did the Yes campaign any good that so many uber left-wingers almost hijacked the campaign and turned it into a socialist protest, and it won't do the SNP any good to be portrayed as the party of the disaffected. The SNP need to make sure that they maintain their position as the party of the middle-ground in Scottish politics. If they don't, you can be damned sure that Labour under Murphy will make a grab for it. The only people I've heard refer to the SNP as left wing is their own supporters... And the media to scare Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocky Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 and yirsel further up this post... ' my quote isn't working' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde1998 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Ashcroft are currently doing polling in Scottish constituencies, so we will hopefully get a clearer picture on how the election campaign is going in Scotland - when these polls are released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 and yirsel further up this post... ' my quote isn't working' I'm sure most realised the absurdity of what I said... I was actually posting what a tamber said on social media... To highlight how absurd it was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Ashcroft are currently doing polling in Scottish constituencies, so we will hopefully get a clearer picture on how the election campaign is going in Scotland - when these polls are released. SNP boys and girls are claiming high 60's in favour of their candidate (still to be decided) in my constituency. Katy Clarks own canvassing is suggesting it's neck and neck. I'll say one thing for the SNP folk, they're certainly being proactive despite NEVER being active in this area, they first chapped my door on Christmas week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoltanBuchan Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 The only people I've heard refer to the SNP as left wing is their own supporters... And the media to scare Tories. I was arguing on another talkboard today with someone who regards the SNP as the "extreme right". That was fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I was arguing on another talkboard today with someone who regards the SNP as the "extreme right". That was fun. There are some utterly bizarre perceptions of parties in Scotland. I pride myself on my now legendary ability to remain objective throughout all scenarios, matched only by my intelligence, shocking good looks and of course humble demeanour... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scots-ukip-mep-david-coburn-5011809 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scots-ukip-mep-david-coburn-5011809 Now that cünt makes SaintlyScot look bright... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flure Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 There are some utterly bizarre perceptions of parties in Scotland. I pride myself on my now legendary ability to remain objective throughout all scenarios, matched only by my intelligence, shocking good looks and of course humble demeanour... Ah! You remembered "humble". Learn well, you do, Grasshopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwta2007.com Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 #65 Clyde 88 (quote function isnae workn) "clearer picture" ? Lord Ashcroft is a Tory billionaire. I wouldn't hold my breath on "clear" - manipulated, maybe. James Kelly from www.scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk savages Ashcrofts pi$h on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunnered Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I think that was my point. I think (suspect) that there are a lot of people out there who will vote for anyone but the SNP....red Tories, blue Tories, yellow Tories....makes no difference. The polls look good, but there are a couple of things that are dangerous for the SNP. One being the tendency to believe their own publicity and speak to the converted rather than those that need to be converted, and the other one is being painted as the party of disillusioned left-wing 'extremists' (for lack of a better word). I don't think it did the Yes campaign any good that so many uber left-wingers almost hijacked the campaign and turned it into a socialist protest, and it won't do the SNP any good to be portrayed as the party of the disaffected. The SNP need to make sure that they maintain their position as the party of the middle-ground in Scottish politics. If they don't, you can be damned sure that Labour under Murphy will make a grab for it. Excellent post. I humbly disagree... On the basis that all far left groups (that I'm aware of) backed a No vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I humbly disagree... On the basis that all far left groups (that I'm aware of) backed a No vote Why, out of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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