N4Footsoldier Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 Quite a neat 6 minute run down of the relative regression of the German national team. All pressure is on the,. Basically can be summarized as: - Failure to replace 2014 generation and lack of quality in specialist positions (e.g Striker or CB) - Joachim Low management contributed to the messy transition between the former and current generation + DFB's issues off the pitch The detail in the latter point makes me think how much is the German support actually behind this team, and are they worried more about failure than the prospect of succeeding at their home tournament? The second thing I'd say which is common across all football now is the mention of 'style identity' crisis. Teams nowadays are full of players who are technically good at passing the ball, movement etc but hundreds of teams struggle for a center forward to stick the ball in the net or a traditional centre back who isn't afraid to make a crunching tackle or hoof the ball clear when the time is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaundy Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Visited a lot in the 80’s and lived most of the 90’s in Germany and found their relationship between the national team and club supporters quite detached. I was quite amazed in September 2014 off the back of becoming World Champions (again) it was possible to get home end tickets in a non sell out first game for their Champions. I think it’s a Germanic trait that their English cousins have , of an inherent sense of natural supremacy. Just a thought from my impression of both. bringiton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundsKeeper Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 My biggest FEAR is VAR, especially post Sevile. 🤢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Light Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, GroundsKeeper said: My biggest FEAR is VAR, especially post Sevile. 🤢 Completely agree. UEFA will be absolutely desperate for Germany to stay in the tournament as long as possible as the host nation so we all know what is coming if there is any shirt pulling at corners etc. Our guys will just need to be ultra cautious. I wouldn't expect any VAR bias in the other two games but this one is a real risk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich NATA Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 hours ago, GroundsKeeper said: My biggest FEAR is VAR, especially post Sevile. 🤢 Were we offside and did we push the goalkeeper? It was a stunningly beautiful goal and to be disallowed was hugely disappointing - But we played our part in having it disallowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Light Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Rich NATA said: Were we offside and did we push the goalkeeper? It was a stunningly beautiful goal and to be disallowed was hugely disappointing - But we played our part in having it disallowed. Yes but it's the usual story, would VAR have disallowed it at the other end? We've all seen in our own country how selective use of VAR can favour one team - that's the real concern for me against Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich NATA Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, Northern Light said: Yes but it's the usual story, would VAR have disallowed it at the other end? We've all seen in our own country how selective use of VAR can favour one team - that's the real concern for me against Germany. I just watched it again. I think we might have gotten away with the offside had Hendry not - unnecessarily - touched the keeper. Such a shame. It was a wonderful goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundsKeeper Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 19 hours ago, Rich NATA said: Were we offside and did we push the goalkeeper? It was a stunningly beautiful goal and to be disallowed was hugely disappointing - But we played our part in having it disallowed. Disagree 100 percent. UEFA VAR team " We are not giving you the goal, we are unsure of the reason why but you won't be getting the goal." Scotland shat it and should have asked for the commentary between the ref and the VAR team. JOKE SHOP and I repeat VAR in the opening game is my biggest concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundsKeeper Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 17 hours ago, Northern Light said: Yes but it's the usual story, would VAR have disallowed it at the other end? We've all seen in our own country how selective use of VAR can favour one team - that's the real concern for me against Germany. Good post. 100% correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeJohnny Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/25/2024 at 2:45 PM, GroundsKeeper said: Good post. 100% correct. Agreed. That should have been in fact was one of the best scotland goals ever and a career highlight for Scott. Feel very bitter about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfaetrin Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 On 1/24/2024 at 8:55 PM, Northern Light said: Yes but it's the usual story, would VAR have disallowed it at the other end? We've all seen in our own country how selective use of VAR can favour one team - that's the real concern for me against Germany. No chance the goal would have been disallowed if it had been a Spain goal. Looking for justifications now for disallowing it is pointless. Many goals from corners, from a few yards out etc could be disallowed for flimsy reasons, but rarely are, especially when the bigger team scores. I fear the referee, who will be under enormous pressure not to spoil the host's party. We are unlikely to be given many of the 50/50 decisions. VAR, as has been correctly pointed out, may well be used selectively, and even the VAR panel will feel the pressure to ensure that Germany don't feel hard done by as a result of a VAR decision. The bigger team bias may actually have worked in our favour during the qualifiers. When Callum McGregor scored against Georgia during the Hampden downpour, the match was subsquently halted by torrential rain making the pitch unplayable, but was then restarted. If, for example, Spain or Germany had gone behind in these circumstances, and their manager complained to the referee about the conditions, would the match still have restarted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 Ahem... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68648714 Now I'm hoping we don't set up a team for damage limitation, but playing Germany in Munich in the opening game of their own tournament is going to be one of the toughest challenges our players will face in their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Ahem... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68648714 Now I'm hoping we don't set up a team for damage limitation, but playing Germany in Munich in the opening game of their own tournament is going to be one of the toughest challenges our players will face in their careers. I addressed this in another thread The goal in 7 seconds affected everything - and if you look at it from the highlights it's a disgrace - the kind of goal you see at the 6 a sides when everyone is still talking to each other And i know the highlights don't tell the full story but France should have been out of sight It was one of those results that if the game was played another 99 times would not have happened Edited March 24 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeJohnny Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 58 minutes ago, Toepoke said: Ahem... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68648714 Now I'm hoping we don't set up a team for damage limitation, but playing Germany in Munich in the opening game of their own tournament is going to be one of the toughest challenges our players will face in their careers. Don't go there re setting up a team for damage limitation !!! I was there with my pal in Prague when levein didn't play one person up front. And they weren't that good at the time and were for the taking. He's not a bad guy and very entertaining at after dinner stuff but find it hard to forgive him for that - it was like he'd forgotten the TA worked to pay to be there. Just can't see Clarke being that negative but let's be honest a draw would be a great result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 It would seem the Bookies aren't attaching too much weight to our recent run of poor friendly results, they've got us, generally, at around 9-1 to win. (I know odds are influenced by the weight of bets but they have to create odds in the first instance). Probably quite generous considering we were around 11-1 to beat Spain, and that's when we were on a great run of games 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganRoy Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 We'll get skelped 4.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 8 hours ago, LoganRoy said: We'll get skelped 4.0 That's the spirit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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