Big Ramy 1314 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Why? Why? Three boys sitting on the bench.. Gilmour, Patterson, Turnbull..... Three young attacking exciting players.. Other coaches, countries, give them the go? Pele, Whiteside, Rooney, Aguero? Why do we not just give them a go???? Fuckin does ma head in.. if your good enough, then play them.. Fuck this "well they got us here"... I dont give a fuck !!!!! They are professional footballers. It's about playing for your country..... You all know what I mean..... Scotland Forever...🏴🏴🏴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I would say SO'D is better defensively than Patterson. Who would you say Turnbull is better than - McTominay, McGinn or Armstrong. Agree that Gilmour should be getting a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ramy 1314 Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, Return of Yermaw said: I would say SO'D is better defensively than Patterson. Who would you say Turnbull is better than - McTominay, McGinn or Armstrong. Agree that Gilmour should be getting a start. Agree. Just hurting at the moment.. Gilmour and Patersson have to start against england... Attack, attack, attack, or it will get messy... COME ON THE BONNIE SCOTLAND !!!! 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runningtings Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I'd like to see Patterson and Gilmour in for England. A time for a braver selection I think, I mean last time I was at Wembley Lee Wallace was playing for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandydon1985 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Big Ramy 1314 said: Agree. Just hurting at the moment.. Gilmour and Patersson have to start against england... Attack, attack, attack, or it will get messy... COME ON THE BONNIE SCOTLAND !!!! 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴 I’m sorry but I think O Donnell is garbage. Probably a nice a bloke but absolutely no where near international class. I don’t even think he’s decent defensively. Paterson is young but at least he actually offers something. Pace, trickery. Just something for defenders to think about. Don’t even get me started on Gilmour. Potentially the best prospect we have had in years. Yet sitting on the bench. Joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Turnbull is nothing special. Would have made fuk all difference today. We actually played not too bad but we are not clinical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ak91 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Where does the “O’Donnell is better defensively” myth come from? He played for a team that fought relegation in the Scottish premiership last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitre Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Surely if you play 3 at the back you need wing backs that offer something offensively? Robertson works well but SOD offers nothing going forward on the right side and he’s not exactly solid in defense. It was clear as day in the past and vs Luxembourg. Forrest or Patterson would surely bring a better balance to the team. It’s easy to have a post game autopsy but I feel the manager made some seriously bad calls today - selection and shape. I get the feeling we will only see the younger players against Croatia and it will likely be too late by then to make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu101 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, Mitre said: Surely if you play 3 at the back you need wing backs that offer something offensively? Robertson works well but SOD offers nothing going forward on the right side and he’s not exactly solid in defense. It was clear as day in the past and vs Luxembourg. Forrest or Patterson would surely bring a better balance to the team. It’s easy to have a post game autopsy but I feel the manager made some seriously bad calls today - selection and shape. I get the feeling we will only see the younger players against Croatia and it will likely be too late by then to make a difference. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blantyre_Braveheart Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Mitre said: Surely if you play 3 at the back you need wing backs that offer something offensively? Robertson works well but SOD offers nothing going forward on the right side and he’s not exactly solid in defense. It was clear as day in the past and vs Luxembourg. Forrest or Patterson would surely bring a better balance to the team. It’s easy to have a post game autopsy but I feel the manager made some seriously bad calls today - selection and shape. I get the feeling we will only see the younger players against Croatia and it will likely be too late by then to make a difference. Anyone else noticed in our last couple of games players don't pass often to O'Donnell when he is the best option offensively. I don't know if it is subconscious or tactical but it was noticeable at times today and very noticeable against Luxembourg. They'd either go themselves or switch to the left. Edited June 15, 2021 by Blantyre_Braveheart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 52 minutes ago, Mitre said: Surely if you play 3 at the back you need wing backs that offer something offensively? Robertson works well but SOD offers nothing going forward on the right side and he’s not exactly solid in defense. It was clear as day in the past and vs Luxembourg. Forrest or Patterson would surely bring a better balance to the team. It’s easy to have a post game autopsy but I feel the manager made some seriously bad calls today - selection and shape. I get the feeling we will only see the younger players against Croatia and it will likely be too late by then to make a difference. Forrest would be a better option than O'Donnell but it's a sair fecht playing that position, and I wonder if he is fit enough yet to play there for a decent length of time. It was a surprising team selection, no doubt about it. I'm not his biggest fan but dropping McGregor, a mainstay of the team, and playing McGinn in his position rather than further forward, where he is more effective, was a strange decision. I know he often plays there for Aston Villa but he has Jack Grealish playing just in front of him - we had no such creator playing in that area of the park. I like Stuart Armstrong but for me he's better as an impact sub, where he can use his pace to run with the ball. 30 minutes ago, Blantyre_Braveheart said: Anyone else noticed in our last couple of games players don't pass often to O'Donnell when he is the best option offensively. I don't know if it is subconscious or tactical but it was noticeable at times today and very noticeable against Luxembourg. They'd either go themselves or switch to the left. Well, Jack Hendry certainly didn't anyway. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of Yermaw Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 10 hours ago, Ak91 said: Where does the “O’Donnell is better defensively” myth come from? He played for a team that fought relegation in the Scottish premiership last season. so single handedly he would shore up the Motherwell defence 😀 if you have seen any games involving Patterson and any games involving O'Donnell, O'Donnell is the better defender. I am afraid that is the current reality of the situation - if you consider that to be a myth then I would say you are not approaching the issue rationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daviebee Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 10 hours ago, Mitre said: Surely if you play 3 at the back you need wing backs that offer something offensively? Robertson works well but SOD offers nothing going forward on the right side and he’s not exactly solid in defense. It was clear as day in the past and vs Luxembourg. Forrest or Patterson would surely bring a better balance to the team. It’s easy to have a post game autopsy but I feel the manager made some seriously bad calls today - selection and shape. I get the feeling we will only see the younger players against Croatia and it will likely be too late by then to make a difference. The one cross he did put in was utterly lamentable - no pace on the ball whatsoever. A striker would've needed the neck muscles of a fkin orangutan to do anything with it. That one in the first half where he ran into Christie - fck me. I knew it was going to be bad when his first touch ran through his legs and out. I've always liked the guy but he served up some dross yesterday. Can't possibly be considered for Wembley going by that display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
er yir macaroon Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I said before the tournament started we wouldn’t get out of the group without taking a risk on the untested players. This notion that Patterson can’t defend is nonsense. He’s played high end Europa league and Old Firm games. SOD froze and not for the first time. The default position is not qualify, or we take a risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 On 6/14/2021 at 9:21 PM, Malcolm said: Turnbull is nothing special. Would have made fuk all difference today. We actually played not too bad but we are not clinical. He might have been able to deliver a half-decent corner or free-kick, two things we struggled with on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, scotlad said: He might have been able to deliver a half-decent corner or free-kick, two things we struggled with on Monday. To be fair I might have had him ahead of Christie who looks poor just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 53 minutes ago, Malcolm said: To be fair I might have had him ahead of Christie who looks poor just now. Aye, Christie's out of form at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the last we've see of him at this tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElChris04 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) On 6/15/2021 at 11:20 AM, daviebee said: The one cross he did put in was utterly lamentable - no pace on the ball whatsoever. A striker would've needed the neck muscles of a fkin orangutan to do anything with it. That one in the first half where he ran into Christie - fck me. I knew it was going to be bad when his first touch ran through his legs and out. I've always liked the guy but he served up some dross yesterday. Can't possibly be considered for Wembley going by that display. Pretty much my entire thoughts on it. It was brutal to watch. He’s just too big a liability and doesn’t offer anything near enough at the level to be considered going into the England game. Whatever Clarke goes with wether it be Forrest or giving Patterson his chance. I just hope it’s one or the other if he continues with the 3-5-2. Edited June 16, 2021 by ElChris04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccaughey85 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 minute ago, ElChris04 said: Pretty much my entire thoughts on it. It was brutal to watch. He’s just too big a liability and doesn’t offer anywhere near enough at the level to be considered going into the England game. Whatever Clarke goes with wether it be Forrest or giving Patterson his chance. I just hope it’s one or the other. Yeh gotta agree with all of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, ElChris04 said: Pretty much my entire thoughts on it. It was brutal to watch. He’s just too big a liability and doesn’t offer anything near enough at the level to be considered going into the England game. Whatever Clarke goes with wether it be Forrest or giving Patterson his chance. I just hope it’s one or the other if he continues with the 3-5-2. Clarke has a big decision to make there. Playing Patterson, a 19-year-old who's played fewer than 25 senior games in his career in a crucial game against the group favourites, could make or break him. Personally, I'd go with Forrest, but I suspect Clarke will stick with O'Donnell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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