exile Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) The Alex Salmond trial and the dangers of writing about it https://www.thenational.scot/news/18289604.alex-salmond-trial-dangers-writing/?ref=ar "If you are tempted to speculate on Twitter about a person’s guilt in a live criminal case before the court reaches its verdict, consider this." (A thread relating to the trial, but avoiding speculation on the accused during the live trial, and avoiding being part of the existing thread that already does.) Edited March 8, 2020 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, exile said: The Alex Salmond trial and the dangers of writing about it https://www.thenational.scot/news/18289604.alex-salmond-trial-dangers-writing/?ref=ar (A thread relating to the trial, but avoiding speculation on the accused during the live trial, and avoiding being part of the existing thread that already does.) And yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Ally Bongo said: And yet Yes, I know. But I suppose those are facts, the charges being brought, rather than speculation. The Sunday Times has lawyers, we don't. Hence the new thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 Reporting the Alex Salmond Trial Craig Murray pointing out that the mainstream media get to report key parts of the trial, excluding the public and citizen journalists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 The Herald Jesus suffering fuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 As if that article in the Herald could be any worse, the kid in the top row between Fred and Rose West and the Moors Murderers is James Bulger. His mother's aware and isn't happy about it for pretty obvious reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, aaid said: As if that article in the Herald could be any worse, the kid in the top row between Fred and Rose West and the Moors Murderers is James Bulger. His mother's aware and isn't happy about it for pretty obvious reasons. So it seems they pulled the article - at least online - but it already shos the depths they're prepared to go. I imagine they knew they couldn't get away with bringing the innocent little kid into it, even if they'd be happy to run with something linking a politician to torturers, murderers and cannibals. Edited March 9, 2020 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Any truth in the rumour that BBC Question Time producers have selected the jury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 20 hours ago, Ally Bongo said: The Herald Jesus suffering fuck And where are Ted Heath and that other eminent Tory supporter Jimmy Savile in that sequence of photos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) It seems that there's a detailed ongoing account of the trial here: https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2020/03/09/salmond-trial/ Edited March 10, 2020 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, exile said: It seems that there's a detailed ongoing account of the trial here: https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2020/03/09/salmond-trial/ Very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 And an interpretation from Craig Murray, some things not in the mainstream reporting of the trial https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/the-alex-salmond-trial-your-man-excluded-from-the-gallery/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Jim Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 hours ago, exile said: And an interpretation from Craig Murray, some things not in the mainstream reporting of the trial https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/the-alex-salmond-trial-your-man-excluded-from-the-gallery/ Just read that myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 hours ago, exile said: And an interpretation from Craig Murray, some things not in the mainstream reporting of the trial https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/03/the-alex-salmond-trial-your-man-excluded-from-the-gallery/ Other than Craig Murray's own spin on things, there's nothing in there that you couldn't have picked up from the mainstream media - and in fact those are the sources he's using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Grim Jim said: I remember reading stuff very similar to your caltonjock post before this one (I think from Craig Murray?) and reaching the same conclusion. How could you not? I wondered whether NS hired these people willingly. I have a theory that is complete invention on my part, so will not give it here. One other thing that is worth remembering is that the First Minister of Scotland does not have full control over which civil servants are hired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Reading the day to day account it doesn't look good for Alex Salmond. One of the accusers is an SNP politician celebrating a Holyrood budget. An MSP?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, iainmac1 said: Reading the day to day account it doesn't look good for Alex Salmond. One of the accusers is an SNP politician celebrating a Holyrood budget. An MSP?? All the complainers so far have been in the SNP in some form or other. TBH, it'll amaze me if they aren't all SNP members if for no other reason that they'll be people in his wider general circle, not random women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 7 hours ago, aaid said: Other than Craig Murray's own spin on things, there's nothing in there that you couldn't have picked up from the mainstream media - and in fact those are the sources he's using. Yes, as I say it's Murray's interpretation - which is as you say, is drawing from the same sources - but puts things together in a different way, that gives a different perspective, a different complexion on things, compared with the mainstream storyline, but most people will only hear the mainstream version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, exile said: Yes, as I say it's Murray's interpretation - which is as you say, is drawing from the same sources - but puts things together in a different way, that gives a different perspective, a different complexion on things, compared with the mainstream storyline, but most people will only hear the mainstream version. I haven't read any "opinion" type pieces in the press, I'm not sure there are any given contempt laws, only factual reporting of what's been said in court, as far as it's possible to. What don't you think you're being told, or what do you think is being spun by the MSM? FWIW, I think Murray is skating on very thin ice as regards jigsaw identification in that piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Yeah it's not hard to find what constituencies overlap Gordon and who stood for nomination. You can narrow it down very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orraloon Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, iainmac1 said: Yeah it's not hard to find what constituencies overlap Gordon and who stood for nomination. You can narrow it down very quickly. Who is it? P.S. Don't answer that question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, aaid said: I haven't read any "opinion" type pieces in the press, I'm not sure there are any given contempt laws, only factual reporting of what's been said in court, as far as it's possible to. What don't you think you're being told, or what do you think is being spun by the MSM? FWIW, I think Murray is skating on very thin ice as regards jigsaw identification in that piece. I too was surprised at what was in here, given all that's been said about what people should or shouldn't say. Murray himself says what he thinks is being told or not being told (near the end). He claims they are missing a lot of what was actually said in court and claims "It is extraordinary that mainstream media reports that I have seen mention none of this". I wasn't intending to keep posting on this topic. The Grouse Beater blog seems to be summarising factual detail of the case in a concise report. But the existence of the Murray 'coverage' (as he did, more directly, for the Assange trial) also seemed relevant. Edited March 11, 2020 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 18 minutes ago, exile said: I too was surprised at what was in here, given all that's been said about what people should or shouldn't say. Murray himself says what he thinks is being told or not being told (near the end). He claims they are missing a lot of what was actually said in court and claims "It is extraordinary that mainstream media reports that I have seen mention none of this". I wasn't intending to keep posting on this topic. The Grouse Beater blog seems to be summarising factual detail of the case in a concise report. But the existence of the Murray 'coverage' (as he did, more directly, for the Assange trial) also seemed relevant. Grouse beater seems good as does James Doleman in terms of straight reporting of what's been said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobey Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52004285 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 On 3/8/2020 at 2:53 PM, Ally Bongo said: The Herald Jesus suffering fuck Let's not forget these wanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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