Larky Masher Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/25/ukip-scottish-referendum-_n_5881572.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I think that would probably be the best, to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannannan Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/25/ukip-scottish-referendum-_n_5881572.html More proof that we are better apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbcmfc Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/25/ukip-scottish-referendum-_n_5881572.html No such thing as bad publicity! Heard that Scottish ukip guy on referendum night, and he was an utter twat!! So may be reasonably representative if the party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 More power to UKIP. The more they drive in the wedge from their side of the border, the more likely that Britain...for what it is...is likely to splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 agreed. SNP must bide their time though and be wary not to push too soon. the time will be right soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld_Reekie Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 More power to UKIP. The more they drive in the wedge from their side of the border, the more likely that Britain...for what it is...is likely to splinter. Yep. Similarly the BBC. Their piece the other night about Scottish subsidy beggared belief and will only encourage resentment both sides of the border. Why they would spend the referendum campaign undermining independence before doing an about turn and encouraging division is bizarre. Only explanation is that they've not read the brief BBC Scotland read and the UK establishment are completely underestimating how fragile the union actually is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Yep. Similarly the BBC. Their piece the other night about Scottish subsidy beggared belief and will only encourage resentment both sides of the border. Why they would spend the referendum campaign undermining independence before doing an about turn and encouraging division is bizarre. Only explanation is that they've not read the brief BBC Scotland read and the UK establishment are completely underestimating how fragile the union actually is. or more likely they are just dancing to number 10's tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Why can't we simply have a Yes Alliance at the next Scottish election, running on a manifesto of 'if we attain power Scotland is independent, no referendum required'? What could they do? Send in the army? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Saint Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Excellent idea. Finally we English get to vote on something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Tanks in George Square ? Cannae see that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Excellent idea. Finally we English get to vote on something. You've got talent ? That no enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Why can't we simply have a Yes Alliance at the next Scottish election, running on a manifesto of 'if we attain power Scotland is independent, no referendum required'? What could they do? Send in the army? Tactical voting would ensure next to no seats were won though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stapes Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Tactical voting would ensure next to no seats were won though... Do you think so? Not many Lib Dems left, and most of the constituency seats are Labour, so tgat would require Tories to vote Labour. Not sure that would happen in the numbers required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/25/ukip-scottish-referendum-_n_5881572.html Larky what would your view be if another referendum within 5 years? I know you voted yes BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Do you think so? Not many Lib Dems left, and most of the constituency seats are Labour, so tgat would require Tories to vote Labour. Not sure that would happen in the numbers required. A manefesto pledge like that would effectively turn the election into another referendum. Tories would absolutely turn to Labour and vice versa (well in Dumfries anyway). Plus many of the Labour Yes voters would revert to type. It'd make for an interesting campaign but my gut feeling is it would be an unwinnable one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Excellent idea. Finally we English get to vote on something. Come on though George, it is a terrible idea. What currency will you use? If you leave the UK you leave the UK pound. And you'll need border guards - two lots, not just one - at the Scottish AND Welsh borders. Your granny in Gretna and your auntie in Aberystwyth will become FOREIGNERS. And you'll need to use your passport to go and see them! You might not get to see top TV shows like Taggart and Wheel of Fortune. You've hardly got any oil - and what will you do when it all runs out? Don't come running to us for a bail out, pal. And what if top companies like Mackays and R.S McColls decided to leave? People will lose their jobs! So many unanswered questions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faddyisyerdaddy Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 And don't forget the roaming charges on your mobile phone if you come up here for a visit. The whole thing just seems to risky to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) Firstly only way Scotland will become independent is through a referendum. But on the question of when another referendum will be, hopefully there will be one sooner than people think. I spoke with SNP HQ and it was heavily hinted that a no vote changes nothing on SNP policy. If another majority is won they will hold another referendum and that will never change. So with a 2016 majority win you would be looking at a 2017 or 2018 vote. That would be the earliest we would be looking at and at the moment I would say it is more likely than not. Even without an SNP majority it could still pass with an increased Green vote. Edited September 26, 2014 by iainmac1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Firstly only way Scotland will become independent is through a referendum. But on the question of when another referendum will be, hopefully there will be one sooner than people think. I spoke with SNP HQ and it was heavily hinted that a no vote changes nothing on SNP policy. If another majority is won they will hold another referendum and that will never change. So with a 2016 majority win you would be looking at a 2017 or 2018 vote. That would be the earliest we would be looking at and at the moment I would say it is more likely than not. Even without an SNP majority it could still pass with an increased Green vote. There's an inherent danger in this....if there's to be another referendum I want it to be held on a position of strength for the Yes campaign. i.e....where there is actually a significant majority in the country wanting independence. If there's another referendum with the same result, that will certainly kill it for a generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 A tory or tory/ukip government next year, a renege on promises of more powers and being taken out of the EU when we vote to remain in it would be the best possible scenario. That would surely see the Yes vote through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 We won't need another referendum. Sit tight, the beginning of the end has begun already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 A tory or tory/ukip government next year, a renege on promises of more powers and being taken out of the EU when we vote to remain in it would be the best possible scenario. That would surely see the Yes vote through. The state propaganda machine, newspapers, and big business being bribed and encouraged by Westminster, would still be against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Aye, mentioned on another thread a repeat referendum would be a disaster unless the polls consistently have Yes in a comfortable lead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Russell's Lovechild Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Call me stupid, but isn't the point of the UK independence party that it's meant to represent the whole of the UK, not just the English part? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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