Scotty CTA Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Attempting to keep the 'Rangers In Crisis' thread on topic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 'Renfrew Blue' said... You do seem really good at missing the point. You claim to be a Christian. Yet you espouse hatred for a group of people. I'm saying that's very unchristian of you. The specific group of people you hate is immaterial in this discussion. Got it yet? And if you'll scroll back I specifically asked if you hated Rangers fans as you continually conflate the club with the fans but you didn't answer. I therefore had to assume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: 'Renfrew Blue' said... You do seem really good at missing the point. You claim to be a Christian. I am. 23 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: Renfrew Blue' said... Yet you espouse hatred for a group of people. I'm saying that's very unchristian of you. I don't. I hate the haters (if that's what you mean). 23 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: Renfrew Blue' said... The specific group of people you hate is immaterial in this discussion. Even if they are sectarian? Edited February 17, 2017 by Scotty CTA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 'Renfrew Blue' said... Fair enough. You believe in the "jam tomorrow" principle. Personally I prefer mine when I can enjoy it. I'll stop going on about your religion now. I would however suggest you listen carefully to the words of the excellent Madness song, Mr Apples. You might find them interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 Just now, Scotty CTA said: 'Renfrew Blue' said... I'll stop going on about your religion now. My faith? (Fill your boots.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 'Parklife' said... Ahh satan gives kids cancer? Ok. And God does feck all? What a fecking khunt!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 Just now, Scotty CTA said: 'Parklife' said... Ahh satan gives kids cancer? Ok. And God does feck all? What a fecking khunt!! I don't know how people get cancer but I know that if something happens, then God has allowed it. Things like cancer only exist in a fallen world. No sin... no cancer. Lets say that God steps in to solve all the world's problems. At what point on the Biblical timeline would you expect Him to do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindimoo Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Can you clarify what you're asking people to debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Scotty CTA said: I don't know how people get cancer but I know that if something happens, then God has allowed it. Things like cancer only exist in a fallen world. No sin... no cancer. Lets say that God steps in to solve all the world's problems. At what point on the Biblical timeline would you expect Him to do so? You cannot debate with a mentality such as this You really need to grow up Sadly, there are many self-professed Christians who are convinced in their utmost being that the God does indeed give people cancer (while also intentionally inflicting every other imaginable form of evil on creation). Which means there are countless other Christians who walk into their first session of chemotherapy treatment or sit beside a loved one with Alzheimers or survive a brutal sexual assault only to be told that such unspeakable evil is all part of God’s plan. That God willed their suffering for his own glory. If it sounds insane - it should Edited February 17, 2017 by Ally Bongo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 17, 2017 Author Share Posted February 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Mindimoo said: Can you clarify what you're asking people to debate? One of the football threads was going off topic so I started this thread to continue the turn it took to avoid a 'hijack'. 1 minute ago, Ally Bongo said: You cannot debate with a mentality such as this You can. Stay with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitre Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 5 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: Things like cancer only exist in a fallen world. No sin... no cancer Do you honestly subscribe to this pish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 8 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: I don't know how people get cancer but I know that if something happens, then God has allowed it. Things like cancer only exist in a fallen world. No sin... no cancer. So children who get cancer are sinners? I know a few people who have lost babies days/weeks after their birth. Were these babies sinners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 OK, I'll bite, seeing as this thread is just for questions about God. Do you believe sin is a human or a divine creation, and at what point in life do you believe a human to be capable of sinning? Given your assertions above, can you give me specifics? As a practical example, I have just completed a placement teaching 6-year-olds. They fight, swear, argue over possessions & disobey adults. They can be greedy, selfish, and hurtful to others. Are they sinners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisegerwind Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Ok, I'll bite too, the father the son and the holy ghost,snog,marry,avoid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: 41 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: OK, I'll bite, seeing as this thread is just for questions about God. Do you believe sin is a human or a divine creation, and at what point in life do you believe a human to be capable of sinning? Given your assertions above, can you give me specifics? As a practical example, I have just completed a placement teaching 6-year-olds. They fight, swear, argue over possessions & disobey adults. They can be greedy, selfish, and hurtful to others. Are they sinners? Good for you with the placement. I am now just waiting on word of a PGDE place. Based on my current 3 days in school then yes, yes they are. Pure undistilled evil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynze Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 An oldie but a goodie, but saying it's perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynze Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Another biter. What will you do if you die and walk up to the pearly gates and see Apollo, or Odin standing there and you think oh feck I got the wrong Blooming one! If only someone had told me!! Or what if Ron Hubbard was surprisingly right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddersfield Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 1 hour ago, killiefaetheferry said: Good for you with the placement. I am now just waiting on word of a PGDE place. Based on my current 3 days in school then yes, yes they are. Pure undistilled evil Good luck with that as well - for all the stress & endless colds (if there's a God, he should have designed small children with hankies around their faces) I'm loving it. I can't help feeling an odd sense of wickedness myself here. Hijacking a thread about religion to discuss normal stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 I will say one name - Jimmy Saville. What did god do to punish him for his sins? He lived until a ripe old age, was revered like a god by many in life, abused thousands of people (alive and dead) and lived a far better life than most of us will ever have. Sorry there are no gods whatever the religion and belief you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefaetheferry Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 43 minutes ago, Huddersfield said: Good luck with that as well - for all the stress & endless colds (if there's a God, he should have designed small children with hankies around their faces) I'm loving it. I can't help feeling an odd sense of wickedness myself here. Hijacking a thread about religion to discuss normal stuff I wouldn't worry, it's not like you are in the habit of hijacking various other threads by talking about religion all the time. I started working 15 hours a week with an 'after (plus breakfast !) school' club last August, and 3 days a week in class from January, in support of my application. Had a horrendous time with colds etc to begin with, even worse than we were getting from our own 2 wee monsters. I'm usually sceptical about 'alternative' medicine but took on some advice from older heads and starting taking a daily dose of each of Manuka honey, cod liver oil, and echinacea. Could be co-incidence, but have been pretty much cold free in the last 4 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 12 hours ago, Scotty CTA said: I don't know how people get cancer but I know that if something happens, then God has allowed it. Things like cancer only exist in a fallen world. No sin... no cancer. Lets say that God steps in to solve all the world's problems. At what point on the Biblical timeline would you expect Him to do so? With the greatest respect, youre a fcking lunatic. If God allows kids to get leukemia and die before they even reach school, before they even had an opportunity to sin, then God is a cnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boynze Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 Children are born sinners according to the crack pots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 is it right that in the bible its stated that satan killed about 12 people and god killed millions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) But satan is just the anti-santa ? He's the kvnt that brings socks.. Edited February 18, 2017 by mariokempes56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty CTA Posted February 18, 2017 Author Share Posted February 18, 2017 10 hours ago, Mitre said: Do you honestly subscribe to this pish? I believe that there wasn't any sin until Adam disobeyed God. 7 hours ago, iainmac1 said: So children who get cancer are sinners? I know a few people who have lost babies days/weeks after their birth. Were these babies sinners? We inherited Adam's sin nature and were therefore born dead spiritually. (That's why we have to be 'spiritually' born again.) John 3:1-21English Standard Version (ESV) You Must Be Born Again 3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” 9 Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” 10 Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? 11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you[f] do not receive our testimony. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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