irish Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 On 2/10/2017 at 11:44 AM, BlueGaz said: IMO, there was absolutely no way that FIFA were going to dish out a points deduction, and that is backed up by a token 15k fine being given as punishment, therefore I don't think there was any risk at all. Of course we will all have differing views on this, but I think they did the right thing. But that still doesn't take away from the fact that FIFA could've deducted points to a football association member openly defying their rules. The risk was still there however sleight. We got fined for referencing the 1916 Rising on our jerseys in a friendly last year but in fairness it wasn't a deliberate attempt to defy their rules. It was an error out of ignorance but we duly got fined. If our own FAI deliberately defied a FIFA ban on the Easter Lilly being sown into our jerseys and we wore it anyway, it would be plain stupidity as it would obviously result in some form of reprimand. There'd be a huge backlash from Irish supporters towards the association. Whatever your own feelings on the wearing of 'patriotic' symbols, if you're in charge of an international football association you have to do what's in the best interests of the national team and fans and needlessly risking a reprimand from FIFA isn't one of them. FIFA's rule is a reasonable fair rule and if you're that enamoured with your war dead and armed forces so much, there's other ways to show your appreciation for them and their charities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 3 hours ago, irish said: But that still doesn't take away from the fact that FIFA could've deducted points to a football association member openly defying their rules. The risk was still there however sleight. We got fined for referencing the 1916 Rising on our jerseys in a friendly last year but in fairness it wasn't a deliberate attempt to defy their rules. It was an error out of ignorance but we duly got fined. If our own FAI deliberately defied a FIFA ban on the Easter Lilly being sown into our jerseys and we wore it anyway, it would be plain stupidity as it would obviously result in some form of reprimand. There'd be a huge backlash from Irish supporters towards the association. Whatever your own feelings on the wearing of 'patriotic' symbols, if you're in charge of an international football association you have to do what's in the best interests of the national team and fans and needlessly risking a reprimand from FIFA isn't one of them. FIFA's rule is a reasonable fair rule and if you're that enamoured with your war dead and armed forces so much, there's other ways to show your appreciation for them and their charities. I'm not disagreeing with the facts, you don't have to keep posting them. But I think we did the right thing. But shouldn't appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, BlueGaz said: I'm not disagreeing with the facts, you don't have to keep posting them. But I think we did the right thing. But shouldn't appeal. Right or wrong is subjective. How about doing the sensible thing? And when you say 'We', you had no hand in this daft decision but it seems to warm the cockles of your heart that the SFA took a 'patriotic' stand. If you're going to be consistent in your patriotism should you not appeal the decision? Especially when FIFA are clearly disrespecting your war dead from a hundred years ago. How can you support the original decision but not be in favour of appealing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, irish said: How can you support the original decision but not be in favour of appealing it? Very easily. We knew we would get punished, we accept that and we move on. Edited February 13, 2017 by BlueGaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringo Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 36 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: Very easily. We knew we would get punished, we accept that and we move on. So it was just a political statement ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 minute ago, fringo said: So it was just a political statement ? Not for me, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: Not for me, no. That's cos you personally support wearing the poppy. What about the rest of us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, adamntg said: That's cos you personally support wearing the poppy. What about the rest of us? Don't give a fuk about the rest of you, either way. Can we put this on the agenda for October? we have many subjects to get through before this is due to be debated again. Send me an outlook request for October and I will be happy to take it up with you again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 57 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: Don't give a fuk about the rest of you, either way. That's what I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 minute ago, adamntg said: That's what I thought. Good. I shouldn't care what you think. I only care about what I think on this subject. Each to their own and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamntg Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 46 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: Good. I shouldn't care what you think. I only care about what I think on this subject. Each to their own and all that. Agreed. If only the blazers at the SFA had the intelligence to realise they shouldn't be forcing their own individual political opinions on others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 hours ago, adamntg said: Agreed. If only the blazers at the SFA had the intelligence to realise they shouldn't be forcing their own individual political opinions on others. And just to add to your point no football association should conducting themselves like that especially in a manner that could have repercussions which are contrary to the best interests of the team & supporters. That's common sense and should be above any personal juvenile nationalistic sentiments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 16 minutes ago, irish said: And just to add to your point no football association should conducting themselves like that especially in a manner that could have repercussions which are contrary to the best interests of the team & supporters. That's common sense and should be above any personal juvenile nationalistic sentiments. Juvenile nationalistic sentiments? Yer arse ya #####. Theres juvenile for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErsatzThistle Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 50 minutes ago, irish said: And just to add to your point no football association should conducting themselves like that especially in a manner that could have repercussions which are contrary to the best interests of the team & supporters. That's common sense and should be above any personal juvenile nationalistic sentiments. 100% correct there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Yet thousands of those supporters can get us fined anyway? How is that no personal juvenile nationalistic sentiments? Interesting you are only referring to the poppy side of things / part of the fine. Eerstaz will always back you up on that side and not mention the other part too. So you are in good company there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin4 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 40 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: Juvenile nationalistic sentiments? Yer arse ya #####. Theres juvenile for you. It is too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just now, Admin4 said: It is too. Hence I said it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin4 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just now, BlueGaz said: Hence I said it was. You weren't wrong. Abusive, perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueGaz Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just now, Admin4 said: Abusive, perhaps. No perhaps about it, definitely abusive. But deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin4 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: No perhaps about it, definitely abusive. But deserved. Noted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 18 minutes ago, BlueGaz said: No perhaps about it, definitely abusive. But deserved. @Parklife might agree with you, seeing as he was banned for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Ormond said: @Parklife might agree with you, seeing as he was banned for it. Nope. I was banned because the Admin team were annoyed that i'd took the piss out of them telling you to stop calling the Queen "a cow". They then used the first chance they could to suspend me. Yet the person who grassed on me for the "abuse" is continually giving people actual abuse (much more serious than calling someone a "moron"), with seemingly no repercussions. The rules only apply to some folk though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just now, Parklife said: Yet the person who grassed on me for the "abuse" is continually giving people actual abuse (much more serious than calling someone a "moron"), with seemingly no repercussions. The rules only apply to some folk though. Which was what I was alluding to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin4 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Parklife said: Nope. I was banned because the Admin team were annoyed that i'd took the piss out of them telling you to stop calling the Queen "a cow". They then used the first chance they could to suspend me. Yet the person who grassed on me for the "abuse" is continually giving people actual abuse (much more serious than calling someone a "moron"), with seemingly no repercussions. The rules only apply to some folk though. How many reports have you made about " the person who grassed on (you) for the "abuse" ... continually giving people actual abuse"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, Admin4 said: How many reports have you made about " the person who grassed on (you) for the "abuse" ... continually giving people actual abuse"? Just to help you out, i just made one on his abusive post above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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