Jonny Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I'd just never seen or heard of her despite following things relatively closely. She did seem a dour one though. :lol; Sorry Fringo, if you haven't heard of Jeane Freeman, you haven't been following things closely enough. She's brilliant, watch her here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Aye, Broon was awful and Salmond dealt with it no problem. Today's erratic gloom has lifted... Skimmed through it there, I wouldn't say Brown was awful, he did his best to argue the case for remaining in the UK, but it's probably too little too late. And that's without mentioning "The Vow".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) In a way it's extraordinary that this final prime time interview should be with Brown, and not Darling... or Cameron. In the last 2 weeks, Cameron reduced to two snap visits to Scotland, where all we see is one man in a hall of bussed in supporters; did he ever do a walkabout on the streets, or even address the Scottish public from a stage-managed platform (other than an oil platform?)... or turned up on a 'secret' visit to Shetland... this is the man who purports to be the passionate leader of the entire United Kingdom Edited September 17, 2014 by exile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doric Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) Why was it Brown and not Darling? Has Darling been pushed out of the way for makin an a**e of it ? Edited September 17, 2014 by Doric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Why was it Brown and not Darling? Has Darling been pushed out of the way for makin an a**e of it ? Basically, yes. He was effectively sidelined after the 2nd debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) If you go through a process of elimination, Cameron (tory), Blair (discredited) Clegg (dick), you end up with Brown. He was their least worst choice. edit: forgot Miliband (forgettable) Edited September 17, 2014 by thplinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mee Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Milliband got chased out a shopping centre so he will be hiding from now on too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanderark14 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Darling almost lost it on BBC news there. His new argument is now that these new powers come in faster and won't take as long to negotiate as the negotiations would in an independent Scotland. Is that really the best they have now? He looked like a man lashing out in a last desperate attempt to stay in the fight. Jenkins on the other hand was positive and smiling throughout. Simple message from him, full power can only happen with a yes vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraz65 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) To be fair, the plans for increased powers are probably more concrete than any of Alex Salmond's currency proposals. If the No campaign fudged anything as much as he has on this issue, they would be torn apart on here. Edited September 17, 2014 by fraz65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred_Zeppelin Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 To be fair, the plans for increased powers are probably more concrete than any of Alex Salmond's currency proposals. If the No campaign fudged anything as much as he has on this issue, they would be torn apart on here. Are you having trouble understanding them? I can explain it to you if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flora MaDonald Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Does Dimbleby take a hawf? His pork pies are all over the shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 To be fair, the plans for increased powers are probably more concrete than any of Alex Salmond's currency proposals. If the No campaign fudged anything as much as he has on this issue, they would be torn apart on here. What exactly are these 'new powers' ? I must have missed seeing them. Explain to me as well the upsurge in anger from English backbench MP's and their constituents....can you guarantee me with absolute, 100% certainty that these new powers (whatever they are) will get through parliament ? Tell me as well, why now ? Why not 2 years ago, or a month ago, or 10 months ago ? Why now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 To be fair, the plans for increased powers are probably more concrete than any of Alex Salmond's currency proposals. If the No campaign fudged anything as much as he has on this issue, they would be torn apart on here. I really dont get this argument. Salmond has told us exactly what he is going to do re currency. The reason its not set in stone is because there are other third parties at play. Until he has negotiated with them he cannot possibly have a firm way forward. he has told us his preferred way forward which all reasonable thinking people will agree will probably happen if we get Indy. However if for some bizarre reason this outcome did not happen he has told us we would have to look at other options. we would have time to do that and to pick the best proposal for scotland. How is this so hard to understand for No voters? I feel it is more a case of choosing not to understand rather than actually trying to. its their one main argument and they cant bear to see it explained in a rational manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Cameron, Miliband, Clegg...these guys are not going to be around long enough to fulfil any promises. They have all been hugely damaged from this Yes or No. Knives are being sharpened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Cameron, Miliband, Clegg...these guys are not going to be around long enough to fulfil any promises. They have all been hugely damaged from this Yes or No. Knives are being sharpened. Agreed - if they win this it is clear it was not down to them. it was down to the media and the scare mongeringand probably the likes of gordon brown coming out iof the closet. the three guys above effectively lost this campaign, they have had to rely on others to try and rescue it for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Are you having trouble understanding them? I can explain it to you if you want. You can't because at this point in time there are no plans only aspirations, though I'd reiterate that sharing the pound directly or indirectly is a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 You can't because at this point in time there are no plans only aspirations, though I'd reiterate that sharing the pound directly or indirectly is a mistake. Larky it may be long term but probably short term it is the most sensible and stable option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toepoke Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Re the currency, it was interesting to hear Channel 4 News' political editor last night saying without the Eurozone crisis Salmond would've gone with the Euro as option 1 for currency and the referendum would've been won by a landslide. I'm not so sure, I think the negative media would've had even more of a field day if that was the case?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstevie007 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Re the currency, it was interesting to hear Channel 4 News' political editor last night saying without the Eurozone crisis Salmond would've gone with the Euro as option 1 for currency and the referendum would've been won by a landslide. I'm not so sure, I think the negative media would've had even more of a field day if that was the case?... Given that the single biggest bone of contention throughout the entire campaign has been currency, I'd agree that if a stable and established currency was available (outwith Sterling) then yes, I'm sure that would've been the plan, and we'd have won this thing already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShedTA Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Given that the single biggest bone of contention throughout the entire campaign has been currency, I'd agree that if a stable and established currency was available (outwith Sterling) then yes, I'm sure that would've been the plan, and we'd have won this thing already. Darling would still have been asking what plan B was!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jie Bie Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Would have made for an easier victory IMO if the UK already been in the Euro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 not much on social media about salmonds interview. I thought he was great and convincing for undeciders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pool Q Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 (I'm in the office, not my fault) just told Sturgeon - and I mean told - that the protests outside the BBC show that 'a free media will not be allowed in independent Scotland'. I can only assume he was hoping to provoke a rant, but to be fair, after a stunned silence, she managed to remain calm and point out how ridiculous his statement was. Edited September 17, 2014 by Pool Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky Masher Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Larky it may be long term but probably short term it is the most sensible and stable option. Stable option with the break-up of the UK in progress and an in/out EU referendum on it's way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracie Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 cant find the interview anywhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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