andreimack Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 It's time to go? As the door slams shut on yet another campaign is it time for Wee Gord to step aside and let someone in with fresh ideas or do we struggle on hoping for miracles and give him another tournament to try and rekindle earlier form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumnio Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Think he might have a yogurt getting near its sell by date, maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLT NY Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I think we forget how bad things were before he came on the scene. No doubt WGS needs to have a big rethink at this point, but no way I wan't him to be handing the reins over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Duckula Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Another knee jerk reaction. He's done a good job of cleaning up the mess that was left before him. Who would you have instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 He has run out of ideas though Some of his selections are baffling at the best. It's been mentioned before how lagerback has transformed Iceland. Maybe it's time to introduce a new way of thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreimack Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 I think we forget how bad things were before he came on the scene. No doubt WGS needs to have a big rethink at this point, but no way I wan't him to be handing the reins over. Oh I haven't forgot, I think I'm just at that stage again where it's "if they lose," " if we win our remaining games," "Germany will have nothing to play for, come the last game," stage of things when it's no longer football but miracles we need and I'm just a bit pissed off. I'll be alright in the morning. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreimack Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 Who would you have instead? If I'm being honest with you I've absolutely no idea who'd be able to do anything with the squad available at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norsefox Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Let's rethink this slightly and cast our minds back to where we were with Levein and Burley... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 He has run out of ideas though Some of his selections are baffling at the best. It's been mentioned before how lagerback has transformed Iceland. Maybe it's time to introduce a new way of thinking. You can only introduce radical ideas if you have the players with the ability to implement them We are limited in player ability and therefore limited in ideas Lagerback is not the reason Iceland have become successful - they had to have the players to start with Their youth teams over the last decade have improved dramatically Thats where we need to do our thinking and that's not Strachan's job although he should have an input in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewolf_1980 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Let's rethink this slightly and cast our minds back to where we were with Levein and Burley... So because we were utterly hopeless previously, we should just accept being slightly above average now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Strachan's problem is that the guys he's putting faith in as his 'big time players' are letting him down. Brown. Our captain, the man who should be driving the team.....anonymous. Fletcher. Premiership striker, involved in huge transfers, massive profile......can't kick the ball with his right foot. awful. Hutton and Mulgrew. One a Premiership player, the other a stalwart of the Scottish champions.....both can't defend. Or pass. He's not getting the best out of these players, yet he continues to pick them. Can anyone actually say that Darren Fletcher, Jordan Rhodes, Andy Robertson and Steven Whittaker wouldn't have performed better than these 4 tonight ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendricks Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Can we please wait until next month before the crucifixtions start?!!! There is a hell of a lot to play for and every opportunity to still make the play offs. Friday was horrible but tonight was never a game we were likely to get anything in. Wins against an average Polish side and the worst team in the whole of qualifying gaining 6pts (hell maybe even 4 will do if we draw the former) will see us in the play offs. We might even be seeded in those the way it's going! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreimack Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 You can only introduce radical ideas if you have the players with the ability to implement them We are limited in player ability and therefore limited in ideas Lagerback is not the reason Iceland have become successful - they had to have the players to start with Their youth teams over the last decade have improved dramatically Thats where we need to do our thinking and that's not Strachan's job although he should have an input in it Nail on head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Strachan's problem is that the guys he's putting faith in as his 'big time players' are letting him down. Brown. Our captain, the man who should be driving the team.....anonymous. Fletcher. Premiership striker, involved in huge transfers, massive profile......can't kick the ball with his right foot. awful. Hutton and Mulgrew. One a Premiership player, the other a stalwart of the Scottish champions.....both can't defend. Or pass. He's not getting the best out of these players, yet he continues to pick them. Can anyone actually say that Darren Fletcher, Jordan Rhodes, Andy Robertson and Steven Whittaker wouldn't have performed better than these 4 tonight ? As much as we think our national coaches are hopeless they clearly know more than us when it comes to judging ability at the top level If they honestly thought the players you mention would perform better they would pick them and that says it all It isnt a conspiracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreimack Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 Strachan's problem is that the guys he's putting faith in as his 'big time players' are letting him down. Brown. Our captain, the man who should be driving the team.....anonymous. Fletcher. Premiership striker, involved in huge transfers, massive profile......can't kick the ball with his right foot. awful. Hutton and Mulgrew. One a Premiership player, the other a stalwart of the Scottish champions.....both can't defend. Or pass. He's not getting the best out of these players, yet he continues to pick them. Can anyone actually say that Darren Fletcher, Jordan Rhodes, Andy Robertson and Steven Whittaker wouldn't have performed better than these 4 tonight ? Apart from Robertsons inclusion I'd agree with you on all of the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 As much as we think our national coaches are hopeless they clearly know more than us when it comes to judging ability at the top level If they honestly thought the players you mention would perform better they would pick them and that says it all It isnt a conspiracy As much as we think our national coaches are hopeless they clearly know more than us when it comes to judging ability at the top level I realise that (although I'm not sure about McGhee). That doesn't mean though that these coaches are always going to make the right decisions. At this moment, Strachan seems blinded.....he's picking players that are obviously hugely out of form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usainboltyarocket Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Who the hell would take the job with the average salary, average players and huge pressure? If this was a WC group we wouldn't be too downhearted. The third place play off thing will hurt badly if we miss out. Germany then Poland are far better teams than us and ROI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Craig Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Do the fans not stop to think. Bin Strachan and we are left at the mercy of the SFA think tank. The same bunch of clowns that appointed Burley and Leven. I can see it now - on their shortlist will be Jimmy Calderwood and Bobby Williamson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 You can only introduce radical ideas if you have the players with the ability to implement them We are limited in player ability and therefore limited in ideas Lagerback is not the reason Iceland have become successful - they had to have the players to start with Their youth teams over the last decade have improved dramatically Thats where we need to do our thinking and that's not Strachan's job although he should have an input in it I know I know. Just saying. We seem to be resigned to the same style of football though. Regardless of the players or who we are playing. We set out against Georgia the same way we set out against Germany. We lack intelligence. Even at half time we see poor. The Germans were working drills, we were pinging the ball about like a Sunday league team. We need a total change of direction on and off the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannannan Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Picking wingers then getting them to play further back than our fullbacks is not a good idea.May as well play 4.4.2 without wingers .We were cowardly tonight.God only knows how we managed to score two goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal smith Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 He has run out of ideas though Some of his selections are baffling at the best. It's been mentioned before how lagerback has transformed Iceland. Maybe it's time to introduce a new way of thinking. A shame we never appointed lagerback when we had the chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveheartGordon Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Let's rethink this slightly and cast our minds back to where we were with Levein and Burley... Under Levein only a shocking penalty decision denied us a play-off in a group with only one automatic spot. Before Strachan when was the last time we finished outside the top 3 in a group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Strachan is doing a decent job with what he has... Its at least attractive to watch mostly. I think the new normal for us is to expect third or fourth and everything above that a bonus. Even the likes of wales have proper world class players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLT NY Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Under Levein only a shocking penalty decision denied us a play-off in a group with only one automatic spot. Before Strachan when was the last time we finished outside the top 3 in a group? Totally different group and circumstances. We only came that close because with Spain winning all their games, we had one rival for 2nd spot. That rival lost at home to Lithuania, but we still couldn't beat their tally. We also squeaked the 3 points against Lichtenstein and destroyed any remaining reputation for Scottish football for those who watched the game in Prague. Before Strachan we weren't 4th seeds (we were one spot away from 2nd seeds because of Strachan), so never had groups with teams as good as Germany, Poland & ROI or Croatia,Belgium & Serbia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BraveheartGordon Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Totally different group and circumstances. We only came that close because with Spain winning all their games, we had one rival for 2nd spot. That rival lost at home to Lithuania, but we still couldn't beat their tally. We also squeaked the 3 points against Lichtenstein and destroyed any remaining reputation for Scottish football for those who watched the game in Prague. Before Strachan we weren't 4th seeds (we were one spot away from 2nd seeds because of Strachan), so never had groups with teams as good as Germany, Poland & ROI or Croatia,Belgium & Serbia. I get what your saying but there's winning and losing in football and we've lost twice in 4 days. All the circumstances garbage can go, If we don't qualify he's failed and needs to admit so. Im sick (more than anything) of supposed bad luck or improved performances papering over the cracks of failures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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