Fred_Zeppelin Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 There are people on telly right now debating whether torture is justified.When did that happen?When did something like torture become something that is up for debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariokempes56 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 On a dissimilar note. Portillo slagging off food banks. Give me strength , or a bazooka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kps022000 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Sadly I don't think that that our standards have fallen at all, we have just had a mirror held up to us and we don't like the reflection. They may get a bit of a hard time on here but Phart (and to a lesser extent Thplinth) have been sharing this, and other, behaviour for the last few years. There have been plenty of different examples of barbaric behaviour by the UK and USA over the last few years/decades coupled with corruption and financial jiggery-pokery and its all went on in front of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exile Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 That [attempted defence of torture] was a low point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/senate-staffer-fails-to-remove-torture-reference-wikipedia "An anonymous user tried unsuccessfully to remove a reference to "torture" from a Wikipedia article on the Senate's report on the CIA's clandestine interrogation program from an IP address registered to the chamber." Let's hope a big attack doesn't happen to remind us all that it was really necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 CIA using the "Campbell defense" Former CIA Director Michael Hayden, a proponent of drone strikes and indefinite detention, complains that he and his colleagues were "never given the chance to mount a defense" of torture. "...Can you imagine? He feels as though he suffered the metaphorical equivalent of a conviction without a trial or evidence. He reputation is being "attacked" without due process. Such is the outraged complaint of a man who said, after an American citizen's horrifying literal drone killing without charges or trial, "I'm quite comfortable with it." http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/the-apex-of-cia-hypocrisy/383651/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I don't think they 'fell' I think they were systematically degraded. Shows like 24 and Homeland also appeared to make people feel like it was Jack Bauer doing it so it must be necessary etc... The reality is perverts raping children in dungeons. 9/11 provided their excuse and they did not hesitate to roll it all out, just like the Patriot Act is was waiting and ready to go. None of us ordinary joes could have stopped it. They sent anthrax to US Senators FFS when it looked like the Patriot Act might stumble... This all was planned long in advance. Next step after normalizing torture is they want to normalize race supremacism or just plain racism. First step on that journey is to make races fight each other... The psychopathic lunacy of it all has noticeably escalated these last few years and it seems to be getting even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 The torture was never about finding terrorists it was about coercing people to confess to a bogus terrorist network. It went hand in hand with the lies from Bush & Blair and the lies from the corporate media it was all part of the campaign to do what they are doing now. At the same time they were experimenting on how to break people down and turn them into objects they control. For reasons and goals that are extremely worrying. We are in a really bad place here folks. If alarm bells are not ringing in your head they should be. Time is short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broono83 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) There are people on telly right now debating whether torture is justified. When did that happen? When did something like torture become something that is up for debate? Very recently. For the 5 thousand plus years until then we all (the human race) just got on with it Edited December 30, 2014 by broono83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 This blew me away... https://www.rt.com/usa/319139-black-teen-beating-woman/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jailhouse-scuffle-wounds-n-man-accused-knock-out-video-article-1.2405173 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mee Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I don't think standards have fallen they have always been at that level for hundreds of years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_(torture) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossy Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Very recently. For the 5 thousand plus years until then we all (the human race) just got on with it This. It's not that standards have fallen, it's simply that things like (state sponsored) torture etc has always been there, below the surface. It's only now in the age of social media that people are talking about it. It's similar to incidents in Iraq and Afghanistan of British troops mishandling or torturing prisoners. People talk about that as if it's something new and shocking, whereas in fact in ever single war throughout history that Bitain has been involved in....including the 2nd world war where we've held ourselves up to be the voice of morality....there are plenty of documented incidents of our troops executing prisoners and/or enemy troops that wanted to surrender. It's just that in bygone days, these things were easier to hide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giblet Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I think the mainstream media has definately taken a turn to the right. Incredible what we see as the "norm" now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 It's been like this for as long as I can remember, even if you're not aware of it at the time. The entire American media ignored or misrepresented the Indonesian genocide in East Timor early 90's. While the UN, American and uk governments not only ignored but actively supported Indonesia because it aided their own business interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParisInAKilt Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 It's been like this for as long as I can remember, even if you're not aware of it at the time. The entire American media ignored or misrepresented the Indonesian genocide in East Timor early 90's. While the UN, American and uk governments not only ignored but actively supported Indonesia because it aided their own business interests. Mid 70's to late 90's* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 The watching bystander certainly hasn't changed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Incidentally netanyahu tried to say yesterday that Hitler got his idea for the holocaust off the Palestinians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parklife Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Incidentally netanyahu tried to say yesterday that Hitler got his idea for the holocaust off the Palestinians. I saw that. In light of the most recent troubles in the region, it's bordering on inciting Israelis to attack arabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thplinth Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Incidentally netanyahu tried to say yesterday that Hitler got his idea for the holocaust off the Palestinians. It is the 'weaponization' of history, of academia. When did that begin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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