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Yes, and why bother? The Guardian, the most London-centric of all the 'qualities', has taken a consistently hostile view to the issue of Scottish independence, Bell and their other cartoonist (name escapes me) have form on this. It was essentially posted missing during the referendum campaign on the issue of media/state collusion, something it would have been all over in any other country in the world.

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Yes, and why bother? The Guardian, the most London-centric of all the 'qualities', has taken a consistently hostile view to the issue of Scottish independence, Bell and their other cartoonist (name escapes me) have form on this. It was essentially posted missing during the referendum campaign on the issue of media/state collusion, something it would have been all over in any other country in the world.

Bell who is great is some areas does some to have lost the plot with the SNP.

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This one is only criticising a politician and a party.

It's only at the level that politicians hurl at each other (thinking of Salmond = Kim Jong Il)

Some of the other ones were going beyond what any mainstream politician would do, deriding Scotland as a nation, usually reserved for foreign nations, but not internal minorities, or customers of one of your constituent 'nations'.

In other words, they behave sometimes as if Scotland is just an integral part of north Britain, and at other times as if a foreign country that they are free to abuse and laugh at from afar.

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Typical arrogance and patronising pish from the middle class, trendy lefty crowd.

To them Scotland is nothing more than a rich reserve of votes for the dear old Labour party.

Lately we haven't "known our place" as we have in years gone by.

To these la-di-da s in Lewisham or wherever, us Scots must be ridiculed for the stupid little nation we are, the UK is bigger, the UK is better, your culture, flag and alleged "nation" must take second place to the all encompassing grand utopia of the UK with Ed Miliband as our glorious leader.

badger that.

And badger Steve Bell.

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I have a number of Bell's 'If' and 'Maggie's Farm' books on my bookshelf, and have enjoyed his stuff since the 1980s.. As LM says, he has real issues with the SNP and the issue of Scottish independence. Personally it doesn't bother me, It's fairly clear he has little or no knowledge of the issues. Water off a duck's back.

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I have a number of Bell's 'If' and 'Maggie's Farm' books on my bookshelf, and have enjoyed his stuff since the 1980s.. As LM says, he has real issues with the SNP and the issue of Scottish independence. Personally it doesn't bother me, It's fairly clear he has little or no knowledge of the issues. Water off a duck's back.

Aye.

I saw this carrion yesterday. Don't know what his problem is - he's so on the money some times, but as larky says, has a real blind spot for the SNP.

Oh, socialist, nationalist you say? Like the nazis! Brilliant.

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Oh, socialist, nationalist you say? Like the nazis! Brilliant.

The question is, would they say the same of UKIP? Or are they just lovable fruitcakes and closet racists? (UKIP. not the guardian) because hey fair play to them, somewhere in the political fog people understand those plucky 'kippers are something to do with democracy and self determination...which is OK if you're UK, right?
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Outrage tells them you’ve been hurt. Best ignored.

Like some others on here I used to like Steve Bell, and yes I’ve a few of his books. He got at Thatcher and Blair very effectively.

But he does have a real hatred of the SNP. I think he’s an old-fashioned Labourite who can’t distinguish between ethnic nationalism and civic nationalism. By that logic, the SNP can be equated with the Nazis.

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ahh yes Steve Bellend...


Here is another of his hilarious Scotland themed cartoons... you can see why the OP is such a fan.


31.01.13-Steve-Bell-on-th-006.jpg


Guardian is the Daily Mail but for 'lefties'. Hideous publication, although Monbiot was good on it.

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Typical arrogance and patronising pish from the middle class, trendy lefty crowd.

To them Scotland is nothing more than a rich reserve of votes for the dear old Labour party.

Lately we haven't "known our place" as we have in years gone by.

To these la-di-da s in Lewisham or wherever, us Scots must be ridiculed for the stupid little nation we are, the UK is bigger, the UK is better, your culture, flag and alleged "nation" must take second place to the all encompassing grand utopia of the UK with Ed Miliband as our glorious leader.

badger that.

And badger Steve Bell.

Agree with every word, except the bit I've highlighted; I can only assume you don't know London very well...Lewisham is a like a downmarket version of Airidie or Methil. La-di-da it is most certainly not!

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Agree with every word, except the bit I've highlighted; I can only assume you don't know London very well...Lewisham is a like a downmarket version of Airidie or Methil. La-di-da it is most certainly not!

Aye, you got me there. I don't know much about the capital of our glorious empire. ^_^

Only been to London once, and that was in 1997 ! I just thought Lewisham sounded like a safe, leafy, bleeding heart, middle-class, liberal area. :-))

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Aye, you got me there. I don't know much about the capital of our glorious empire. ^_^

Only been to London once, and that was in 1997 ! I just thought Lewisham sounded like a safe, leafy, bleeding heart, middle-class, liberal area. :-))

Amongst the tourist attractions of Lewisham is Millwall FC; should tell you all you need to know about the place.

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Aye, you got me there. I don't know much about the capital of our glorious empire. ^_^

Only been to London once, and that was in 1997 ! I just thought Lewisham sounded like a safe, leafy, bleeding heart, middle-class, liberal area. :-))

Easy mistake if you don't know the place! Going off thread a bit, bit it kind of links in to your comment...it really bugs me that radio shows and letters in UK national newspapers often give people's location as Joe Bloggs, Greenwich/Lewisham/Finchley etc as if the rest of the country will know these are areas of London. Would they give someone in Scotland, or for that matter any other English city's location as Joe Bloggs, Gorgie/Headingly/Edgsbaton? It's just another example of how London-centric the UK media is.

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ahh yes Steve Bellend...
Here is another of his hilarious Scotland themed cartoons... you can see why the OP is such a fan.
31.01.13-Steve-Bell-on-th-006.jpg
Guardian is the Daily Mail but for 'lefties'. Hideous publication, although Monbiot was good on it.

Guardian is the daily mail for people who like to pretend they are caring" lefties,"and who only read it in their drawing rooms.

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"I am half Scottish myself, and that part of my identity is very dear to me, and not something to be defined by SNP enthusiasts.”

Bell must have a strange sense of Scottish identity to draw this.

ahh yes Steve Bellend...
Here is another of his hilarious Scotland themed cartoons... you can see why the OP is such a fan.
31.01.13-Steve-Bell-on-th-006.jpg
Guardian is the Daily Mail but for 'lefties'. Hideous publication, although Monbiot was good on it.
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