aaid Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Still think that Wings is an advocate for Scottish Independence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, aaid said: Still think that Wings is an advocate for Scottish Independence? What is this case actually about? Is there nothing to it? In lost with it now. It's a distraction but why is there even a case being taken through the courts? Was it less than transparent? There are people being assaulted and worse and it doesn't get the time of day in a court room, yet this thing keeps going on and on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 No trying to be funny but what has this to do with following the boys in blue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Paul D said: No trying to be funny but what has this to do with following the boys in blue? Anything goes section , TA specific is for the boys in blue Not being funny but you got a wee bit lost? Anyway I can't see what another umpteen hours about this case can achieve. Seems like a waste of resources Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 30 minutes ago, PapofGlencoe said: What is this case actually about? Is there nothing to it? In lost with it now. It's a distraction but why is there even a case being taken through the courts? Was it less than transparent? There are people being assaulted and worse and it doesn't get the time of day in a court room, yet this thing keeps going on and on. An FOI was submitted to the SG to get access to Nicola Sturgeon’s written submission to the independent investigation into the breach of the ministerial code over the Alex Salmond affair. The SG say that while they hold it, it is not their information, it is information that belongs to an independent third party who is not covered by FOI law. The information commissioner disagrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, aaid said: An FOI was submitted to the SG to get access to Nicola Sturgeon’s written submission to the independent investigation into the breach of the ministerial code over the Alex Salmond affair. The SG say that while they hold it, it is not their information, it is information that belongs to an independent third party who is not covered by FOI law. The information commissioner disagrees. Oh right, put like that it does seem odd not to just give up the information if the authority who governs this deems it covered. It's not a policy legal advice case, like Scotland place in the EU, as far as I can see. I can't believe they're still finding angles to go over this case. At what point do you say it's been done to death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 hour ago, PapofGlencoe said: Oh right, put like that it does seem odd not to just give up the information if the authority who governs this deems it covered. It's not a policy legal advice case, like Scotland place in the EU, as far as I can see. I can't believe they're still finding angles to go over this case. At what point do you say it's been done to death Probably when the money runs out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDYER63 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 hour ago, PapofGlencoe said: Oh right, put like that it does seem odd not to just give up the information if the authority who governs this deems it covered. It's not a policy legal advice case, like Scotland place in the EU, as far as I can see. I can't believe they're still finding angles to go over this case. At what point do you say it's been done to death When support for independence is at 10% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, TDYER63 said: When support for independence is at 10% Could be. Both salmond, sturgeon went through hours of hostile questioning live in TV. The man and others were put through a gruelling trial that has sullied more than one career. There's been pages and pages written. Are we now to believe the independent assessor wasn't given all the facts? Or the public are not yet aware of the important points in this case after all these hours? It beggars belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 56 minutes ago, PapofGlencoe said: Could be. Both salmond, sturgeon went through hours of hostile questioning live in TV. The man and others were put through a gruelling trial that has sullied more than one career. There's been pages and pages written. Are we now to believe the independent assessor wasn't given all the facts? Or the public are not yet aware of the important points in this case after all these hours? It beggars belief. There is far more to this than meets the eye, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaid Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 25 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: There is far more to this than meets the eye, Another attempt by Salmond to force the names of his accusers into public domain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 4 hours ago, aaid said: Still think that Wings is an advocate for Scottish Independence? I would say more than you, but that doesn’t take much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 hour ago, aaid said: Another attempt by Salmond to force the names of his accusers into public domain? Or an attempt to show he was set up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Don't think this latest case is driven by Salmond. Not directly anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Alibi said: Don't think this latest case is driven by Salmond. Not directly anyway. It’s all connected by the look of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alibi Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 2 hours ago, hampden_loon2878 said: It’s all connected by the look of it Yes, but Salmond didn't raise this case - which apparently has today been decided. The SG lost and have to comply with whatever they were asked to comply with. See Wings for a brief resumé. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Bongo Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 9 hours ago, aaid said: Still think that Wings is an advocate for Scottish Independence? Yes This is the young guy that took the Scottish Government to court https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-heartbreaker/#more-127289 Everything was set, parliament had approved the request, and we were raring to go. The FM was going to lead us into a referendum to escape Brexit, and this time we would win and become an independent country in the EU. But as we all know, that didn’t happen. The FM, instead of being the leader of the independence movement, became the deputy leader (alongside the likes of warmongers Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair and co) of the “Stop Brexit for the rest of the UK” movement, despite them democratically voting for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Is that even true? What "mandate"? Folk seem very confused by how the process for holding the referendum actually comes about. Parliament hadn't approved anything beyond asking for a section 30. It's funny how that pic keeps coming up, I posted it years back and thplinth then took it as his profile pic. Now it appears all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, phart said: Is that even true? What "mandate"? Folk seem very confused by how the process for holding the referendum actually comes about. Parliament hadn't approved anything beyond asking for a section 30. It's funny how that pic keeps coming up, I posted it years back and thplinth then took it as his profile pic. Now it appears all the time. Do you mean a mandate or a vote in parliament because I think they are different things? One recommends the other. What constitutes a mandate is up for debate though, I grant you. I would like to think a majority of votes, never mind seats, should clear that hurdle mind you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Robinson and humza working wonders, nearly bankrupting the SG I am hearing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phart Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 23 minutes ago, PapofGlencoe said: Do you mean a mandate or a vote in parliament because I think they are different things? One recommends the other. What constitutes a mandate is up for debate though, I grant you. I would like to think a majority of votes, never mind seats, should clear that hurdle mind you. The only mandate is the section 30, everything else is just pressure to get a section 30 granted. Now we're probably all in agreement that is a shit state of affairs. It's the mechanism though. Cameron granted a section 30 to Salmonds government for the 2014 referendum to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, phart said: The only mandate is the section 30, everything else is just pressure to get a section 30 granted. Now we're probably all in agreement that is a shit state of affairs. It's the mechanism though. Cameron granted a section 30 to Salmonds government for the 2014 referendum to happen. Sorry I dont agree and dont get what you mean. The mechanism and mandates are different things in my eyes. A mandate is the authority given by the electing franchise. The mechanism is how you go about taking a mandate forward. You could have a mechanism but no mandate. Or a mandate but no mechanism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotlad Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 23 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Robinson and humza working wonders, nearly bankrupting the SG I am hearing He had the ideal opportunity to bring the party together after the leadership election by reinstating Kate Forbes as Finance Minister, but instead he appoints Shona fecking Robison. 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hampden_loon2878 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, scotlad said: He had the ideal opportunity to bring the party together after the leadership election by reinstating Kate Forbes as Finance Minister, but instead he appoints Shona fecking Robison. 🤦♂️ Looking pretty grim on the face of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapofGlencoe Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, hampden_loon2878 said: Looking pretty grim on the face of it In the grand scheme of things having Kate Forbes would have made no difference. Feel the pulse of the people, the SNP are the unpopular kid at school now, like Labour were years ago. I dont hear many standing up for them. No amount of moving the deck chairs between now and the next election is going to change that (unless something incredible happens). Some people swing with momentum and the momentum turned against the SNP when Sturgeon resigned and got arrested. Edited December 7, 2023 by PapofGlencoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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