iainmac1 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 People in the north can get an Irish passport and offically have that as their nationality That isn't the point or the question raised here. Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are two different places. Who the Irish government decides is eligable for passports is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Can a Scotsman actually tell me how "Northern Ireland" came about? It was created by Alistair Darling's great grandfather, who was leader of the IBT-(SLAIWB) party. (Irish Better Together (So Long As It's With Britain)). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Donegan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 That isn't the point or the question raised here. Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland are two different places. Who the Irish government decides is eligable for passports is irrelevant. France didn't become less French when it was occupied by the Germans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Can a Scotsman actually tell me how "Northern Ireland" came about? Yes I could but that doesn't detract from the current fact that Northern Ireland and the Republic are two different places. Many countries (Be that N. Ireland or the UK) are constructs created at a certain period in time. Also if it was put to a referendum I reckon the North would not vote to join with the Republic which makes the case for 'one nation' even less legitamate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gspain Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Several have. More players from the South have played for the North than the other way around - Dinny Hannon, Bill Lacey, Patsy Gallagher, Ed Brookes, Mick O'Brien, Frank Collins, Tom Farquharoson, Christy Martin, Jimmy Dunne, Harry Duggan, Peter Kavanagh, Jimmy Kelly, Alex Stevenson, Paddy Moore, Tommy Breen, Tom Davis, Kevin OFlanagan, Johnny Carey, Owen Madden, Bill Hayes, Bill Gorman, Paddy Farell, Mat OMahoney, Ned Weir, Billy Walsh, Davy Walsh, Tom Aherne, Peter Farrell, TomEglington, Con Martin, Jackie ODriscoll, Rory Keane & Reg Ryan And in some cases they refused to play for the Republic at the time. Different times though. They were all before 1951. Some people in East Donegal support NI instead of the RoI however in general very few in the RoI would choose NI ahead of the Republic. In NI most from a nationalist background would now support the RoI and for those under 50 it would be a very high percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 France didn't become less French when it was occupied by the Germans. Also irrelevant and a different situation. The people of Northern Ireland are free to vote for a party that wants a united Ireland and then vote for it via a referendum. They don't as the people there don't want it. They have the choice, the French didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoysinGreen Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 How many since let's say the 1900s? Also irrelevant and a different situation. The people of Northern Ireland are free to vote for a party that wants a united Ireland and then vote for it via a referendum. They don't as the people there don't want it. They have the choice, the French didn't You sound like an expert. The majority of people in NI don't want to leave the UK. That's news to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 You sound like an expert. The majority of people in NI don't want to leave the UK. That's news to me Going by opinion polls no they don't. Also going by who they vote for in the Assembly no they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmcc83 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 How many since let's say the 1900s? How many since let's say the 1900s? The entire list mate but none since 1953, its just worthwhile to point out that it hasn't always been a one way system. The North historically approached the better players, on the contrast players have generally opted to play for the South for cultural reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoysinGreen Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Also irrelevant and a different situation. The people of Northern Ireland are free to vote for a party that wants a united Ireland and then vote for it via a referendum. They don't as the people there don't want it. They have the choice, the French didn't FYI the two of the top 3 parties in NI are nationalist. Where are you getting your figures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320lichtie Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) To be fair it's debatable whether the north is country or not. It was created in very dubious terms. It always surprises me that people in the UK have little or no knowledge of the situation up thereI love the history there it's so interesting. I would like to see a United Ireland one day too tbh.Eta: only if the North want it, which I'm not so sure they would. Edited October 22, 2014 by 1320lichtie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoysinGreen Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Going by opinion polls no they don't. Also going by who they vote for in the Assembly no they don't. Political Party Candidates Number of Votes Elected Seats Gained Seats Lost Net Change in seats % of Seats % of Votes Change in % of vote Sinn Féin 171,942 DUP 168,216 SDLP 110,970 n (NI) Edited October 22, 2014 by TheBoysinGreen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhumper Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Christ almighty. Please don't tell me you represent Ireland abroad. Aye badly. Surprisingly she's not as much a cheeky cow when she's looking to earn money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Donegan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Also irrelevant and a different situation. The people of Northern Ireland are free to vote for a party that wants a united Ireland and then vote for it via a referendum. They don't as the people there don't want it. They have the choice, the French didn't well now at the next election Sinn Féin may well be the largest party in both parts of my country. The DUP has exploded into small pieces and the parties in the south have lost all credibility with people in the south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Political Party Candidates Number of Votes Elected Seats Gained Seats Lost Net Change in seats % of Seats % of Votes Change in % of vote Sinn Féin 171,942 DUP 168,216 SDLP 110,970 n (NI) There are more unionist seats in the NI Assembly. Nationalists don't have a majority. Also there have been many opinion polls on a united Ireland over the years, none showing a majority for one Ireland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave78 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Yes I could but that doesn't detract from the current fact that Northern Ireland and the Republic are two different places. Many countries (Be that N. Ireland or the UK) are constructs created at a certain period in time. Also if it was put to a referendum I reckon the North would not vote to join with the Republic which makes the case for 'one nation' even less legitamate. A TA pal of mine (and huge Yesser) shared a page on Facebook yesterday that was about Irish nationalist students at Queen's University in Belfast supporting a referendum on Irish unification. I had a quick look, and aside from the emotional stuff, the arguments the students used were economic - all about economies of scale/not making sense to have separate currencies/tax systems etc. I found it interesting that nationalists in Ireland were using what would be considered unionist arguments in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoysinGreen Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 well now at the next election Sinn Féin may well be the largest party in both parts of my country. The DUP has exploded into small pieces and the parties in the south have lost all credibility with people in the south. Not true. Fine Gael are still the leaders. Sinn Fein only popular in working class areas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Donegan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Aye badly. Surprisingly she's not as much a cheeky cow when she's looking to earn money. Oh I have always spoken my mind and told the truth - unlike the few who never fail to attack me on this board. In the larger scheme of things they don't really matter so I don't mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 well now at the next election Sinn Féin may well be the largest party in both parts of my country. The DUP has exploded into small pieces and the parties in the south have lost all credibility with people in the south. Again the Island of Ireland has two countries on it. Or one country and another part of a country but you get the drift. It is not one country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Donegan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Not true. Fine Gael are still the leaders. Sinn Fein only popular in working class areas I said they may well be - FG losing ground all the time, they are the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBoysinGreen Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Again the Island of Ireland has two countries on it. Or one country and another part of a country but you get the drift. It is not one country. The people of NI are entitled to say they're Irish and from Ireland though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Donegan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Again the Island of Ireland has two countries on it. Or one country and another part of a country but you get the drift. It is not one country. It will be - eventually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
France here we come Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Aye badly. Surprisingly she's not as much a cheeky cow when she's looking to earn money. Shite patter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I know it is Wikipedia but it refrences actual opinion polls. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ireland The 2013 annual Northern Ireland Life and Times survey conducted by the Queen's University Belfast and the University of Ulster found that a United Ireland was the favoured long term option of 15% of the population while remaining part of the United Kingdom was the favoured long term option of 66% of the population A 2011 survey by Northern Ireland Life and Times found that 52% of Northern Irish Catholic respondents favoured union with Great Britain over a united Ireland. The last part I used to find hard to believe but during my Post-Grad a stayed with a guy from N. Ireland. Catholic, had a Tri-colour on his wall etc but didn't want a united Ireland. He prefered N. Ireland staying in the UK due to economic reasons, so these people do exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iainmac1 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 The people of NI are entitled to say they're Irish and from Ireland though. There entitled to say what they want. One person says he is from the UK, his neighbiour says he is from Ireland. Only one of them is correct though. Northern Ireland is seperate from the Republic and no matter of emotion stops that being a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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